General education courses getting in my way

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The discussion revolves around the frustrations and challenges faced by students regarding general education (gen ed) requirements at universities, particularly from the perspective of science majors. Participants express their views on the relevance and necessity of liberal arts courses in their curricula, comparing their experiences across different institutions and countries.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express frustration over the extensive liberal arts requirements, arguing that they detract from the focus on technical and scientific education.
  • Others suggest that writing and liberal arts courses are beneficial for developing communication skills, which are important in various professional contexts.
  • A participant notes that their university requires a significant number of writing-intensive courses, which they feel are not aligned with their major's needs.
  • There are mentions of varying requirements at different universities, with some participants highlighting that their institutions have fewer or no general education courses.
  • Some participants argue that general education courses are necessary for a well-rounded education, while others feel they are unnecessary burdens.
  • Concerns are raised about the applicability of certain science courses, with some stating that they do not count towards their major.
  • Participants from different countries share their experiences, noting that some educational systems do not have similar gen ed requirements.
  • There are discussions about the potential for bypassing certain courses through placement exams or by using major-related courses to fulfill requirements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the value and necessity of general education courses, with some advocating for their importance in developing broader skills, while others view them as irrelevant to their specific fields of study. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views present.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention that their frustrations may stem from specific institutional policies, suggesting that experiences with general education requirements can vary widely between universities and countries.

  • #31
Carnivroar said:
That's how it should be in the first place. The bulk of these general education courses should be taught in HS, not in college. I don't think gen ed is a bad idea, only maybe it's just my school in specific that requires way too many of them (60 credits). Besides, gen ed requirements are usually different for B.A vs B.S degrees no? In my school it isn't.

Maybe that's the symptom of why the Liberal Arts approach is widely used? If High School graduates are entering college unprepared, why not make the foundational learning manditory?

For me, going back to school (I'm almost 30 and in college as a junior), I have to take 16 credits of a foreign language. I had 4 years of language in High School, but still I am required to do this. Luckilly, aside from the language classes, I only have to take an art class of some sort to finish my gen ed requirements.

The biggest downside, I see, to the gen ed requirements - is there are so many classes offered that qualify for these liberal arts requirements that students can choose their way out of what truly is important. Maybe call me old fashioned, but I don't think someone's liberal arts education should be filled with classes titled Gay History 1990-1999, Music of the Extint Amazon Tribes, Modern Art Appreciation, and the History of Women in the Year 1420. I'd rather see mostly classic history required and maybe a topics class, or two - but allowing someone to pigeonhole themselves away from mainstream topics defeats the purpose IMO.
 
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  • #32
SpringCreek said:
Requiring students to take courses they otherwise would eschew bolsters the enrollment in those courses. Through that and the tuition paid it helps to support those academic programs and departments.

And there is always the off chance that one or more of those subjects will awaken something in you. I had to take a course called Business and Society which traced the history of business from medieval guilds to modern times. I have to say, it was surprisingly interesting, and twenty years later it still helps me to understand certain current events.

The best classes I ever took were those not in my major - ethics, English composition, and archeology. Of course, it was the instructors/subject matter in combination that made these the best classes, not the subject matter itself.
 

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