General Engineering Dimensional Analysis

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The discussion revolves around the dimensional analysis of the period T of a pendulum, which is hypothesized to depend on its length L, mass m, and gravitational acceleration g. Participants are exploring how to derive the constants x, y, and z in the equation T = KL^x m^y g^z, where K is a dimensionless constant.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest starting by writing out the dimensions of each physical quantity involved, including mass, length, and time.
  • One participant mentions deriving a pi group as g/(T^2L) but struggles to find a method to solve for the three exponents.
  • Another participant notes that the period T is expressed as 1/s, which is included in their pi group, but questions how to relate this to solving for the variables.
  • There is a contention regarding the relevance of mass in the pendulum's period, with one participant asserting that mass should not affect pendulum swings.
  • Questions arise about the definition of a "Pi group" and the correctness of the dimension for the period T.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of mass in the pendulum's period and the correct approach to dimensional analysis. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on how to proceed with the analysis or the validity of the assumptions made.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully established the assumptions underlying their dimensional analysis, and there are unresolved questions about the definitions and relationships between the variables involved.

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The period T of a pendulum of length L, mass m in a gravitational field g ms-2 is suspected to be a function of L, m and g. If it is postulated that
T=KLxmygz
where K is a dimensionless constant, use dimensional analysis to obtain the constants x, y and z.

There's only one pi group I came up with and that was g/(T2L)

other than that, I can't figure out how to begin this problem in a way that will give me an opportunity to solve for the three exponents.
 
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Mikesgto said:
The period T of a pendulum of length L, mass m in a gravitational field g ms-2 is suspected to be a function of L, m and g. If it is postulated that
T=KLxmygz
where K is a dimensionless constant, use dimensional analysis to obtain the constants x, y and z.

There's only one pi group I came up with and that was g/(T2L)

other than that, I can't figure out how to begin this problem in a way that will give me an opportunity to solve for the three exponents.

Start by writing out the dimensions (mass, length, time) of each of the physical quantities involved.
 
Ok so perhaps my attempt wasn't completely written above. I wrote down all the units, namely meters, m/s^2 for gravity and kg for mass. That's the only pi group I can think of but then I can't figure out the steps to solve for 3 individual exponents.
 
how about for T?
 
Well T=1/s which is included in my original Pi group of g/(T^2*L). But once I have one pi group, which is all I can have because I have 4 variables and only 3 basic dimensions, how do I go about relating that to solving for the variables?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but mass should not play a factor in pendulum swings. And should I use the pendulum period equation from basic physics, neglecting drag etc.?
 
Ok, first of all, what is a "Pi group"?

Second, your dimension (unit) for the PERIOD T is incorrect?
 

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