Generalized uncertainty principle

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The discussion centers on demonstrating the consistency of the product < S^2_y> with the generalized uncertainty principle for a spin-half particle in a known eigenstate of Sz. The generalized uncertainty principle states that ΔS_x ΔS_y ≥ |<[S_x, S_y]>|, leading to the conclusion that ΔS_x ΔS_y ≥ h^2/16π^2. Participants emphasize the need to relate the product < S^2_y> to the uncertainties ΔS_x and ΔS_y, with ΔS_x defined as the standard deviation derived from the expectation values of S_x.

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Homework Statement


A spin-half particle is in a known eigenstate of Sz. Show that the product &lt;S^2_x&gt; &lt; S^2_y&gt; is consistent with the Uncertainty principle


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I know that the generalized uncertainty principle gives ΔS_x ΔS_y ≥ |&lt;[S_x, S_y]&gt;|<br /> <br /> =&gt; ΔS_x ΔS_y ≥ \frac{h^2}{16π^2}
but I'm stuck as to how to proceed to show the product in question is consistent with this.

Thanks in advance for any help.
 
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Hello, DeltaFunction.

I'm not quite sure what you are asking. Are you asking how to evaluate the product ##<S^2_x> < S^2_y> ##, or are you asking how the product ##<S^2_x> < S^2_y> ## is related to ##ΔS_x ΔS_y##?
 
TSny said:
Hello, DeltaFunction.

I'm not quite sure what you are asking. Are you asking how to evaluate the product ##<S^2_x> < S^2_y> ##, or are you asking how the product ##<S^2_x> < S^2_y> ## is related to ##ΔS_x ΔS_y##?

I'm a bit vague on this too. The problem simply states "Show that the product ##<S^2_x> < S^2_y> ## is consistent with the uncertainty principle"

I assumed I'd need to link that to ##ΔS_x ΔS_y## to demonstrate this, but I'm stumped by this
 
DeltaFunction said:
I'm a bit vague on this too. The problem simply states "Show that the product ##<S^2_x> < S^2_y> ## is consistent with the uncertainty principle"

I assumed I'd need to link that to ##ΔS_x ΔS_y## to demonstrate this, but I'm stumped by this

How is ##ΔS_x## defined in terms of ##<S^2_x>## and ##<S_x>^2##?
 
TSny said:
How is ##ΔS_x## defined in terms of ##<S^2_x>## and ##<S_x>^2##?

I don't know I'm afraid :/
 
You need to know what quantitative definition of "uncertainty" you are using. Generally, the uncertainty of an observable ##A## for a particular state is defined to be the standard deviation $$\Delta A=(\langle A^2\rangle-\langle A\rangle^2)^{1/2}$$
So to determine the uncertainty ##\Delta S_x## for a state of definite z-component of spin, you will need to evaluate ##(\langle S_x^2\rangle-\langle S_x\rangle^2)^{1/2}## for that state.
 
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