Geodesic on a cone, calculus of variations

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The discussion focuses on finding geodesics over a cone using cylindrical coordinates, specifically defining the coordinates as x=r cos(θ), y=r sin(θ), and z=Ar. The arc length is derived as ds=∫(r1 to r2)√(1+A²+r²(dθ/dr)²)dr, and the Euler-Lagrange equation is applied to derive a non-linear differential equation. The participants confirm the approach and explore the separability of the equation, ultimately validating the method while noting alternative spherical coordinates could also be used.

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I have to find the geodesics over a cone. I've used cylindrical coordinates. So, I've defined:

x=r \cos\theta
y=r \sin \theta
z=Ar

Then I've defined the arc lenght:
<br /> ds^2=dr^2+r^2d\theta^2+A^2dr^2<br />

So, the arclenght:
ds=\int_{r_1}^{r_2}\sqrt { 1+A^2+r^2 \left ( \frac{d\theta}{dr}\right )^2 }dr

And using Euler-Lagrange equation:
\frac{\partial f}{\partial \theta}=0
\frac{\partial f}{\partial \dot \theta}=-\frac{r^2\frac{d\theta}{dr}}{\sqrt{1+A^2+r^2\left ( \frac{d\theta}{dr}\right )^2}}
\frac{d}{dr}\frac{\partial f}{\partial \dot \theta}=0 \rightarrow \frac{\partial f}{\partial \dot \theta}=-\frac{r^2\frac{d\theta}{dr}}{\sqrt{1+A^2+r^2\left ( \frac{d\theta}{dr}\right )^2}}=K<br />

The differential equation which I've arrived is non linear. I don't know if what I've done is fine. I know the problem can also be done using spherical coordinates instead of cylindrical, but I've choossen to do it this way.
 
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Telemachus said:
I have to find the geodesics over a cone. I've used cylindrical coordinates. So, I've defined:

x=r \cos\theta
y=r \sin \theta
z=Ar

Then I've defined the arc lenght:
<br /> ds^2=dr^2+r^2d\theta^2+A^2dr^2<br />

So, the arclenght:
ds=\int_{r_1}^{r_2}\sqrt { 1+A^2+r^2 \left ( \frac{d\theta}{dr}\right )^2 }dr

And using Euler-Lagrange equation:
\frac{\partial f}{\partial \theta}=0
\frac{\partial f}{\partial \dot \theta}=-\frac{r^2\frac{d\theta}{dr}}{\sqrt{1+A^2+r^2\left ( \frac{d\theta}{dr}\right )^2}}
\frac{d}{dr}\frac{\partial f}{\partial \dot \theta}=0 \rightarrow \frac{\partial f}{\partial \dot \theta}=-\frac{r^2\frac{d\theta}{dr}}{\sqrt{1+A^2+r^2\left ( \frac{d\theta}{dr}\right )^2}}=K<br />

The differential equation which I've arrived is non linear. I don't know if what I've done is fine. I know the problem can also be done using spherical coordinates instead of cylindrical, but I've choossen to do it this way.

Is it separable? I didn't simplify your expression, but it looks like you might have

d\theta=g(r)dr
 
Yes, you're right:
r^2\frac{d\theta}{dr}=K \sqrt{ 1+A^2+r^2\left ( \frac{d\theta}{dr}\right )^2 }<br />
r^4 \left ( \frac{d\theta}{dr} \right )^2=\gamma \left [ 1+A^2+r^2\left ( \frac{d\theta}{dr}\right )^2 \right ]<br />
r^4 \left ( \frac{d\theta}{dr} \right )^2=\gamma \left [ 1+A^2+r^2\left ( \frac{d \theta}{dr}\right )^2 \right ]<br />
(r^4-r^2\gamma) \left ( \frac{d\theta}{dr} \right )^2=\gamma \left [ 1+A^2 \right ]<br />
d\theta=\sqrt{ \frac { \eta }{r^2(r^2-\gamma) }}dr<br />
eta and gamma are constants.

Anyway, I wanted to know if what I did was ok. I don't care that much about the integral :P

Thank you algebrat.
 

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