Geometric optics and Fermat's principle

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The discussion revolves around a problem in geometric optics, specifically applying Fermat's principle to determine the horizontal distance \(d\) from an observer to the point where a ray of light appears to originate. The problem involves analyzing the trajectory of a light ray described by a hyperbolic cosine function, with parameters including the index of refraction and a constant related to the setup.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the gradient \(y'\) and the distance \(d\) in terms of the coordinates of the observer. There are attempts to derive expressions for \(d\) using trigonometric relationships and the provided equations. Some participants question the validity of certain expressions and their implications for the problem.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering various approaches to express \(d\) in terms of \(y\) and \(a\). There is a recognition of the need to eliminate \(y'\) from the equations, and some participants suggest using Fermat's principle as a potential tool. Multiple interpretations of the relationships between the variables are being explored, indicating a productive exchange of ideas.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the expression for \(d\) must be derived without involving \(x\), as the goal is to express it solely in terms of \(y\) and \(a\). There is also a mention of constraints regarding the smallness of \(a(x-x_g)\) and its implications for the trajectory of the ray.

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Homework Statement


A ray travels as shown in the image attached below. In this case, Fermat's principle may be written as

##A =\frac{n(1+ay)}{\sqrt{1+(y')^2}}##

Where y' is dy/dx, n is the index of refraction and A is a real constant.

The trajectory of a ray of light is given by

##y = -\frac{1}{a}## ## + \frac{A}{na}## ##\cosh{\frac{na}{A}(x-x0)}##

When the ray is observed from a height y above the x axis, it seems to come from the ground at horizontal distance d from the observer (see figure). Determine d if a(x−x0) is small. Write your answer in terms of y and a.

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I've tried to work out the specific trajectory for the ray that grazes the x-axis at xg. For x=xg, dy/dx is 0 and y=0, so at that point A = n. Although there is a sqrt involved, take positive n because n=c/v is always positive as far as I know.

Sub that into the second equation for y, taking y=0 again, then I got xg = x0.

So the specific trajectory of this ray would then be

##y = -\frac{1}{a}## ## + \frac{1}{a}## ##\cosh{a(x-xg)}##

Really have no clue what to do from there! I did try finding the tangent to the curve to maybe find an expression for the length of the hypotenuse, but that didn't work. So I don't know.
 

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If the eye is at coordinates (x,y) and y' represents the gradient at that point then what expression can you write for d in terms of y and y'?

If you can do that, you just need to get rid of y'. Could the Fermat formula be of any help?
 
andrewkirk said:
If the eye is at coordinates (x,y) and y' represents the gradient at that point then what expression can you write for d in terms of y and y'?

If you can do that, you just need to get rid of y'. Could the Fermat formula be of any help?
Oh yeah! An expression such as y'2= d2+y2? Rearranged to make d the subject, then rearrange the fermat formula to make y' the subject and sub into the d = expression, along with the given value of y!
 
whatisreality said:
An expression such as ##y'^2= d^2+y^2##?
Yes, but not that particular expression. ##y'## is the gradient, which is the tangent of the angle of the hypotenuse to the horizontal. What is the relation of that to ##d## and ##y##?
 
andrewkirk said:
Yes, but not that particular expression. ##y'## is the gradient, which is the tangent of the angle of the hypotenuse to the horizontal. What is the relation of that to ##d## and ##y##?
Oh, ok... so tan(θ) = ##\frac{y}{d}##=##y'##? So in fact, d = y/y' then?

I don't understand why not the first expression isn't right though. Because the gradient is dy/dx, and dx at the point we're looking at is d, isn't it? I thought the hypotenuse would be represented, when squared, by ##d^2 + y^2##.
Although I do know why dy/dx is the tan of the angle of the hypotenuse to the horizontal.
 
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But then, if I use

##y = -\frac{1}{a}## ## + \frac{1}{a}## ##\cosh{a(x-xg)}##

Then since I've been given that a(x-xg) is small, cosh(a(x-xg)) = 1. So I'd get that y=0 and therefore d = 0, wouldn't I?
 
whatisreality said:
But then, if I use

##y = -\frac{1}{a}## ## + \frac{1}{a}## ##\cosh{a(x-xg)}##
I wouldn't use that, because it has x in it and you are looking for a formula for d in terms of only y and a. Try instead using the first formula in the OP:
$$
A =\frac{n(1+ay)}{\sqrt{1+(y')^2}}
$$
 
andrewkirk said:
I wouldn't use that, because it has x in it and you are looking for a formula for d in terms of only y and a. Try instead using the first formula in the OP:
$$
A =\frac{n(1+ay)}{\sqrt{1+(y')^2}}
$$
It does have x in it, but x disappears because I've been given that a(x-xg) is small. I know that y isn't zero! So why would I get that result?
 

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