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The discussion revolves around f(R) gravity, a modified theory of gravity that involves a non-linear function of the Ricci scalar in the action. Participants seek references and clarification on the concept and implications of f(R) gravity.

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  • Some participants inquire about references for f(R) gravity, indicating a need for foundational material.
  • One participant mentions a Wikipedia page that includes references to legitimate publications, suggesting that f(R) gravity is a serious research area, albeit less mainstream.
  • Another participant provides a technical description of f(R) gravity, explaining that it modifies the Hilbert-Einstein action by using a non-linear function of the Ricci scalar, which could potentially affect black hole solutions.
  • The same participant discusses dimensional analysis related to f(R) gravity, constructing dimensionless quantities and exploring the implications of different functional forms for the action, including linear and quadratic functions.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of choosing non-linear functions, particularly regarding the integration of higher derivatives of the metric tensor.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the specifics of f(R) gravity, as there are multiple viewpoints on its implications and the nature of its mathematical formulation.

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The discussion includes complex mathematical reasoning and assumptions that may not be fully articulated, particularly regarding the choice of functional forms and their consequences in the context of gravity theories.

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hey guys , is there anybody here to give me a nice reference for f(R) gavity ?


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thecoop said:
hey guys , is there anybody here to give me a nice reference for f(R) gavity ?
What is f(R) gravity?
 
There's a Wikipedia page about it, for what it's worth. It has references to what appear to be legitimate publications.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F(R)_gravity

It appears to be a serious research area, although probably a bit out of the mainstream. I'd never heard of it, either.
 
Boston_Guy said:
What is f(R) gravity?

It would be a theory with a modified Hilbert-Einstein action, where the density is not proportiomal to the Ricci scalar R, but to some non-linear function of it.

The modified field equations will contain the Ricci curvature in a non-linear way, and might disallow the possibility of a black hole.

By dimensional analysis, one can construct a dimensionless quantity from c, \hbar, G, and R:
<br /> \frac{G \, R}{\hbar \, c^{3}}<br />
Also, we can construct a combination with the dimension of an action density:
<br /> \left[ \frac{S}{x^4} \right] = \mathrm{T}^{-1} \, \mathrm{L}^{-2} \, \mathrm{M} \stackrel{\mathrm{n.u.}}{\rightarrow} \mathrm{L}^{-4}<br />
Because \left[ G \right] = \mathrm{T}^{-2} \, \mathrm{L}^{3} \, \mathrm{M}^{-1} \stackrel{\mathrm{n.u.}}{\rightarrow} \mathrm{L}^{2}, we ought to have \mathcal{L} \propto G^{-2}. Returning the proper powers of \hbar, and c, we get:
<br /> \mathcal{L} \propto \frac{c^6}{\hbar \, G^2}<br />
Thus, we can write:
<br /> S_{g} = \frac{c^6}{\hbar G^2} \, \int{f\left( \frac{\hbar \, G \, R}{c^3} \right) \, \sqrt{-g} \, d^4 x}<br />

If you require the Planck's constant to drop out of the expression, you ought to have:
<br /> f(x) = A \, x<br />
i.e. the Lagrangian density is proportional to the scalar curvature. This is the ordinary Hilbert-Einstein action. The numerical constant A is fixed by Newton's Law of universal Gravitation.

We might be tempted to choose a different functional form. For example, let us see if we can get G, the Universal Gravitational constant, to drop out from the expression. In a sense, this would make the action purely quantum effect. It is easy to see that this happens if:
<br /> f_{2} = B \, x^2<br />
A quadratic function dominates a linear function for large values of the argument, i.e. for:
<br /> R \gg \frac{A}{B} \, L^{-2}_{P}<br />
where L_{P} = \sqrt{G \, \hbar/c^{3}} \sim 10^{-35} \, \mathrm{m} is the Planck length.

There is, however, a problem with choosing a non-linear function. Namely, R contains second derivatives of the metric tensor, but as a 4-gradient. Therefore, they get integrated out when the function is linear. But, one cannot do the same for a nonlinear function, and the equations that we would get would contain derivatives higher than two of the metric tensor.
 

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