GMm/r^2 for r=0? Force at Center of Object?

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The discussion revolves around the gravitational force experienced by a mass located at the center of a hollow spherical mass, specifically considering the implications of the formula GMm/r² as r approaches zero. Participants explore the nature of gravitational forces in this scenario, referencing theoretical concepts such as the Shell Theorem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the gravitational force would be infinite when using the formula GMm/r² with r equal to zero, suggesting a scenario with a hollow Sun and another mass at the center.
  • Another participant clarifies that the 1/r² expression is only applicable for objects outside a spherically symmetric mass distribution, implying that the formula does not accurately describe the force in this case.
  • A different viewpoint asserts that the gravitational force at the center of a hollow sphere is actually zero, referencing the Shell Theorem, which states that the gravitational forces from different parts of the hollow mass cancel out.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of gravitational force at the center of a hollow mass. While some suggest that the force could be infinite or undefined, others argue that it is zero, leading to an unresolved discussion with competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations of applying the GMm/r² formula in this context and the dependence on the assumptions regarding mass distribution and the definition of the system.

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This is probably a stupid question - but let's say you have a hollow Sun (M is hollow), with another mass in the center, so M and m share the same center of mass, the distance between the centers is zero.

Would GMm/r^2 be infinite in this case?

The force at the center of any object - if you define your system to be the center chunk of matter, and how that center chunk of matter sees the rest of the planet?

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sorry... I did not get enough sleep last night, that's my excuse!
 
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The 1/r^2 expression is only valid for the gravitational force on an object outside a spherically symmetric mass distribution.

Your expression would go to infinity, but it would not be describing the force between the objects.
 
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The force is, in fact, zero. Look up the Shell Theorem.

Larry Niven wrote a novel called Ringworld which featured a ring around a star. He had to write a followup describing the giant ion engines the ring had to keep itself centred on its star because this fact was brought to his attention after publication...
 
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JLT said:
This is probably a stupid question - but let's say you have a hollow Sun (M is hollow), with another mass in the center, so M and m share the same center of mass, the distance between the centers is zero.

Would GMm/r^2 be infinite in this case?

The force at the center of any object - if you define your system to be the center chunk of matter, and how that center chunk of matter sees the rest of the planet?

((o))

sorry... I did not get enough sleep last night, that's my excuse!
actually their will be no force acting because all the forces from different part of the sun will cancel out.
 

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