Grade 12 Calculus plane deceleration question

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The discussion revolves around a calculus problem involving the deceleration of an F-18 jet during landing, described by a position function s(t)=189t-t^7/3. Participants explore how to calculate the braking time and the deceleration just before the jet stops.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the derivative of the position function to find the time it takes for the jet to stop and question what the derivative represents in terms of velocity and deceleration. There are attempts to equate the derivative to zero to find the stopping time.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various attempts to calculate the stopping time and deceleration, with some participants expressing uncertainty about their calculations. There are differing interpretations of the results, and guidance is provided on checking the calculations and understanding the relationship between the first and second derivatives.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may influence their approach and the assumptions they make about the problem.

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Homework Statement



When an F-18 jet lands on the runway, it's position is defined by s(t)=189t-t^7/3 meters after t seconds

calculate the braking time

calculate the deceleration when the jet stops ( i think she means immediately before?)

Homework Equations



derivative

The Attempt at a Solution



s'(t)=189-7/3t^4/3
 
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speeddman said:

The Attempt at a Solution



s'(t)=189-7/3t^4/3

What about the derivative, you want to find a t for which s'(t) is what value?
 
@rock.freak667

well i don't know wouldn't taking the derivative help me find how long it takes to stop?
 
speeddman said:
@rock.freak667

well i don't know wouldn't taking the derivative help me find how long it takes to stop?

Ok what does the derivative represent ?
 
the derivative would represent the deceleration wouldn't it? because the function represents the time.
 
***distance/time
 
speeddman said:
***distance/time

Which is velocity right? So if it is braking, what should the final velocity be?
 
...0?
 
speeddman said:
...0?

Right, so what do you get for t when you equate s'(t) to zero?
 
  • #10
81=t^4/3

so t=0.92448s

so it takes 0.92448s for the plane to stop.

now for to find the deceleration at an instantaneous pnt i have to take second derivative?
 
  • #11
speeddman said:

The Attempt at a Solution



s'(t)=189-7/3t^4/3

speeddman said:
81=t^4/3

so t=0.92448s

so it takes 0.92448s for the plane to stop.

now for to find the deceleration at an instantaneous pnt i have to take second derivative?


You have two differing statements. Check it over.
 
  • #12
well s'(t)=189-7/3t^4/3

0=189-7/3t^4/3

-189/(-7/3)=t^4/3

81=t^4/3

4/3root of 81= t

t=0.92448s

does that make sense?
 
  • #13
no it doesnt. 1.3333333333333root of 81 = 27s
 
  • #14
speeddman said:
no it doesnt. 1.3333333333333root of 81 = 27s

Yes 27s works better.

Now how would you get the acceleration from s'(t)?
 
  • #15
second derivative?

s''(t)=(-28/9)t^1/3
 
  • #16
speeddman said:
second derivative?

s''(t)=(-28/9)t^1/3

and if it takes 27 seconds to stop, what is the deceleration at that instant?
 
  • #17
(-84/9) m/s^2

thank you so much by the way for everything!

is that right?
 
  • #18
(-84/9) m/s^2

Thanks for everything by the way!

is that right?
 
  • #19
Yes that is correct.
 

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