Gravitation as varying density of a space-propertime manifold?

In summary, the general objection is that this model is simplistic and will lead to wrong conclusions. There are also some specific objections that were raised. The first is that the speed of light in the lab is not c, and the second is that the index of refraction is not conserved when you perform a Lorentz transformation. The third is that the metric in isotropic coordinates has two independent functions, and the fourth is that you can't use the idea in rotating solutions.
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Originally I asked on another thread whether the GR effects on light can be described as light passing through a medium of varying density- so exerting its effects by refraction.

A.T. kindly posted the following links:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24289#.UlsOR-B3Zmh
http://www.nature.com/nphoton/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nphoton.2013.247.html

However his the post was erased(I can only assume for necroposting as Nature Photonics is peer reviewed).

The links seem to confirm my original suspicions that the gravitational effect on light is caused by refraction, and A.T. suggested this medium would be varying densities of "space-proper time".

Does anyone have issues with this explanation as it is much simpler to understand and would be a useful teaching aid if it were correct?
 
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Does anyone have issues with this explanation as it is much simpler to understand and would be a useful teaching aid if it were correct?
How many issues would you like to see? The first one is a general philosophical objection to "simpler models that are easier to understand." This usually means trying to explain relativity or quantum mechanics in classical terms. So we pretend that gravity causes an index of refraction, and avoid thinking about all that curved space stuff. :wink: But the problem with simplistic models is that they get taken too seriously. Every model has limitations. Soon the limitations get overlooked. People start to think it's the index of refraction of some real substance. Causing more puzzlement than if they had learned about the curved space stuff to begin with.

Ok, other objections. This is an ancient idea, but to make the model at all plausible, the index of refraction at a point should be the same in all directions. That is, you need to use isotropic coordinates. First you will have a hard time explaining why the speed of light we measure in the lab is c, even though n here on Earth is greater than 1.

What happens to the value of n when you perform a Lorentz transformation?

Next, a static metric in isotropic coordinates has two independent functions, gtt and grr. You're replacing them with one function n(r), and this represents a loss of information. In other words, you'll be able to choose n(r) to fit the light deflection, but not other effects. In particular, I believe you'll get the wrong answer for the Shapiro delay.

At the surface of a black hole, which is a stationary null surface, you'll need to let n go to infinity.

And for a rotating solution like Kerr, you won't be able to use this idea at all. The light paths in Kerr depend on whether you're going clockwise or counterclockwise, and one index of refraction won't suffice to explain both.
 
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1. What is gravitation as varying density of a space-propertime manifold?

Gravitation as varying density of a space-propertime manifold is a scientific theory that suggests that the force of gravity is a result of the curvature of space and time caused by the presence of massive objects. This curvature is caused by the varying density of a space-propertime manifold, which is the fabric of the universe.

2. How does this theory explain the force of gravity?

This theory explains the force of gravity by proposing that massive objects, such as planets and stars, create a curvature in the fabric of space and time. This curvature then causes objects to move towards the center of the curvature, resulting in the force of gravity.

3. What evidence supports this theory?

There is a significant amount of evidence that supports this theory, including the observation of the bending of light around massive objects, such as stars. This phenomenon, known as gravitational lensing, is a result of the curvature of space and time caused by the massive object's density.

4. How does this theory differ from Newton's theory of gravity?

This theory differs from Newton's theory of gravity in that it does not rely on the concept of a gravitational force acting between objects. Instead, it suggests that gravity is a result of the curvature of space and time caused by the presence of massive objects.

5. Are there any implications of this theory for our understanding of the universe?

Yes, this theory has significant implications for our understanding of the universe. It provides a more comprehensive explanation of gravity and how it affects the behavior of objects in the universe. It also helps to reconcile the principles of general relativity and quantum mechanics, two fundamental theories in physics.

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