Gravitational Potential Energy with reference point at infinity?

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Gravitational potential energy (GPE) can vary based on the reference point chosen, such as infinity or the surface of a planet. When calculating GPE from infinity, the value is negative, indicating that work must be done to bring the mass from infinity to a point in space. The formula for GPE at a distance r from the center of a planet is derived from the gravitational force and involves the planet's radius (R) and mass (M). The discussion clarifies that R represents the planet's radius, while r is the distance from the planet's center to the mass in question. Understanding these variables is crucial for accurately calculating potential energy in different contexts.
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So, the gravitational potential energy of a mass "X" from the sun is, let's say, 100joules.

Why is it that when we take the gravitational potential energy of the mass from the reference point of infinity that the gravitational potential energy is -100joules?

I understand the negative symbol but it amazes me that the mass would still have the exact same value of 100.

Please help me! :P
 
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It's not. You are misunderstanding something. If it's -100J from reference at infinity, it doesn't mean it's 100J with reference at the surface. At the surface, you have -MmG/R from infinity. So if you are distance r away, the energy with reference to surface is MmG/R-MmG/r.
 
Aaaahh I see K^2, thanks!

But you see how u said, "So if you are distance r away, the energy with reference to surface is MmG/R-MmG/r." What would be the different values of "R" and "r"? I'd like help to know how you can calculate the values of Potential energy from a reference point such as the surface of a planet.

I made up my own thought experiment, finding the potential energy of a 10kg ball at distance 100m from the Earth's surface and found the Gravitational potential energy to be 1000J using the formula W=FS. It was totally different to the Ep found using the formula "-Gmm/r" to find the Ep from infinity... So I have another question, how did they derive "Ep=-Gmm/r" ? It seems I don't quite understand how it calculates the work needed to move an object from an extremely large distance to a point X in space :/

Thanks again for helping me clear up my misunderstandings!
 
Tommy1995 said:
But you see how u said, "So if you are distance r away, the energy with reference to surface is MmG/R-MmG/r." What would be the different values of "R" and "r"? I'd like help to know how you can calculate the values of Potential energy from a reference point such as the surface of a planet.
That's what these are for. R is radius of the planet. r is position at which you want potential energy, also from center of the planet. M is mass of the planet, and m is mass of the body whose potential you want.
 
Thanks again K^2! :D

Btw what is GMm/R finding?
 

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