Gravitational waves and negative energy.

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The discussion explores the relationship between gravitational waves and negative energy, including concepts from general relativity and quantum mechanics. Participants examine the implications of negative energy in gravitational fields, its potential existence, and its interaction with black holes and matter.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference Michio Kaku's work, suggesting that negative energy fields may be common in strong gravitational fields.
  • One participant interprets a metaphor from Kaku's book about a "donkey in a hole" to illustrate the concept of negative energy in gravitational contexts.
  • There is uncertainty regarding the definition of negative matter, with some suggesting it may refer to antimatter, while others clarify that antimatter is not the same as negative matter.
  • Participants discuss the implications of negative energy in relation to black holes, with some arguing that negative energy would be gravitationally repulsive and thus unable to enter a black hole.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that if negative energy exists, it could only be part of a system with greater positive energy, which could fall into a black hole.
  • One participant introduces the idea that a "lump" of negative energy would have negative mass and would behave differently under gravitational forces, potentially moving in the opposite direction to applied forces.
  • There is mention of known phenomena like the Casimir force and the cosmological constant as examples where negative energy might be relevant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the existence and implications of negative energy and negative matter, with no consensus reached on these concepts. Disagreements exist regarding the definitions and behaviors of negative energy and its relationship to black holes.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that classical general relativity traditionally assumes the non-existence of negative energy, while quantum mechanical effects suggest otherwise. The discussion also highlights the ambiguity surrounding the definitions of negative energy and negative matter.

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I was wondering what's the link between gravitational waves and negative energy, i heard that 'in the presence of large gravitational fields, negative energy fields are rather common' from one of michio kaku's book. what's the link between gravitational fields and gravitational waves/ gravity and gravitational waves.
edit: can negative matter ever fall into a black hole? i don't think they can because theyre repelled by matter but if they did, because they have antigravity, would they reduce the strength of a gravitational field some how antigravity cancelling gravity?
 
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I think that was Michio Kaku's "Parallel Worlds", where he was talking about a donkey in a hole. In layman's terms, you have to expend energy to climb out of the hole, so you can view the hole as a negative energy location. Then if you mentally replace the hole with a "gravitational field", you can perceive this as a "negative energy field". Maybe one of the experts will step in here for some precise advise.

PS: I don't like the word field myself, because we're talking about a location with properties, and "field" tends to assign a physical existence to the properties rather than the thing or region that has the properties.

PPS: I don't know about negative matter. And I'm not a fan of parallel universes.
 
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yea! a reply
Im keeping an open mind about all things until I understand most stuff even the most strangest, wakyest ideas. That's kinda why i didnt mention the title of the book, I know some people won't want to get involved in anything relating to such ideas.
 
I'm not sure I can tell you anything that you can't find in the book. Classical GR has in the past assumed that there is no such thing as "negative energy" in many important theorems. Quantum mechanical effects such as the Casimir force, and cosmological observations such as "dark energy", suggest that negative energy probably does exist, even though it's pretty weird.
 
My high school physics teacher said something about "gravity being negative energy" but I never fully understood his point. This clarifiess a lot. Thanks.
 
alias25 said:
edit: can negative matter ever fall into a black hole?

If negative matter means antimatter, then it probably has as much inertia/energy/weight as normal matter.. rather than cancelling some of the black hole's mass, it would add to that mass (sure, annihilating with whatever matter it encounters, but only to radiate the equivalent mass-energy.. and since radiation can't escape either..)
 
cesiumfrog said:
If negative matter means antimatter, then it probably has as much inertia/energy/weight as normal matter.. rather than cancelling some of the black hole's mass, it would add to that mass (sure, annihilating with whatever matter it encounters, but only to radiate the equivalent mass-energy.. and since radiation can't escape either..)
Antimatter is not negative matter! So the rest of your statement seems correct.
 
If negative energy could exist on its own, then it probably could not fall into a black hole. Because negative energy is predicted to be gravitationally repulsive, it should be just as impossible for such energy to enter a black hole as it is for normal energy to exit one.

However, there is no theoretical way for negative energy to exist except as part of a system which posses a greater amount of positive energy, and that system as a whole could fall in through the Event Horizon.
 
There's a sneaky point here. If we somehow had a "lump" of negative energy, it would have a negative mass. While it is true that negative mass would be repelled by positive mass, it would also have an inertia equal to minus mv (by the equivalence principle), thus it would move in an opposite direction to the applied force, i.e. it would fall "down" just like normal matter.

Some forms of "negative energy" do appear to exist (the casimir force, the cosmological constant), but there are not any known sources of "big lumps" of such energy with a total negative mass.

Negative energy also should not be confused with antimatter, which is expected to have a positive mass just like everything else.
 

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