Gravity & Charge: Explained by Maxwell's Eqs?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between gravity and electromagnetic theory, specifically whether Maxwell's equations can fully explain gravity. Participants explore the implications of charged particles and their electric fields in relation to gravitational fields, while also addressing the validity of the arguments presented.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that all particles are charged or consist of charged quarks, suggesting that this leads to internal and external electric fields, which in turn engender gravitational fields, potentially explaining gravity through Maxwell's equations.
  • Others argue that the assertion that gravity is explained by Maxwell's equations lacks validity, stating that there is no clear explanation of gravity within those equations.
  • A participant points out that neutrinos are fundamental and electrically neutral, which raises questions about the initial claim regarding all particles being charged.
  • Another participant challenges the logical form of the arguments presented, indicating that the reasoning may be flawed regardless of the correctness of the statements.
  • Concerns are raised about the speculative nature of the claims and the adherence to the forum's guidelines regarding discussions of non-mainstream theories.
  • Some participants express frustration with the lack of a formal theory or field equations that would substantiate the idea of electromagnetic explanations for gravity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus, as there are multiple competing views regarding the relationship between gravity and electromagnetic theory. The discussion remains unresolved with ongoing debate about the validity of the claims made.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the arguments, including the dependence on definitions of particles and the speculative nature of linking electromagnetic theory to gravity without established theoretical backing.

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All particles are charged, or consist of charged quarks whose total charges sum to zero. Therefore, all particles have internal electric fields, and charged particles also have external electric fields. The electric field is a form of energy. All energy engenders a gravitational field (or, if you prefer, warps flat space-time). Therefore gravity is explained, without exception, by Maxwell’s equations, right? Corollary: there is no such thing as matter.
 
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GRDixon said:
All particles are charged, or consist of charged quarks whose total charges sum to zero. Therefore, all particles have internal electric fields, and charged particles also have external electric fields. The electric field is a form of energy. All energy engenders a gravitational field (or, if you prefer, warps flat space-time). Therefore gravity is explained, without exception, by Maxwell’s equations, right? Corollary: there is no such thing as matter.
Neutrinos are fundamental and electrically neutral.
 
GRDixon said:
All particles are charged, or consist of charged quarks whose total charges sum to zero. Therefore, all particles have internal electric fields, and charged particles also have external electric fields. The electric field is a form of energy. All energy engenders a gravitational field (or, if you prefer, warps flat space-time). Therefore gravity is explained, without exception, by Maxwell’s equations, right? Corollary: there is no such thing as matter.

Whether the statements in your a rgument are correct or not, your argument is of an invalid logical form.

Matheinste.
 
Therefore gravity is explained, without exception, by Maxwell’s equations, right?
You're joking, aren't you ? I don't see anything that 'explains' gravity in Maxwell's equations.
 
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Mentz114 said:
You're joking, aren't you ? I don't see anything that 'explains' gravity in Maxwell's equations.

He's not, look at his blog, at the link with the "Maxwell Society".
 
Uh... no... all you've explained is that some of the mass of a composite particle is due to the interaction energy of its constituent particles.

That has nothing to do with gravity.
 
starthaus said:
He's not, look at his blog, at the link with the "Maxwell Society".

It wouldn't be so bad if the 'EM for gravity' crowd actually came up with a theory based on a Lagrangian and some field equations but I've never seen one.
 

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