Falling electric dipole contradicts the equivalence principle?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of an electric dipole in a gravitational field and its implications for the equivalence principle. Participants explore the dynamics of the dipole when subjected to gravitational and electric forces, examining whether its behavior contradicts established principles in physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes an electric dipole's behavior when dropped in a gravitational field, suggesting it accelerates faster than gravity, which they argue contradicts the equivalence principle.
  • Another participant counters that the equivalence principle applies locally and that the dipole's electromagnetic field extends over a large region, where curvature effects become significant.
  • A third participant argues that the reference used in the initial post predicts gravitational effects without needing to consider global effects, emphasizing the dipole's intrinsic acceleration.
  • This participant also draws an analogy between the dipole and a small rocket, suggesting that its behavior can be understood in terms of local frames of reference.
  • Another participant raises a question about the mass of the system, suggesting that the dipole's mass may differ from the sum of its components due to electromagnetic interactions, and inquires if this can be treated similarly to a single particle in a gravitational field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the behavior of the dipole contradicts the equivalence principle, with some arguing that it does while others maintain that the principle remains valid under local conditions. The discussion does not reach a consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the analysis depends on the assumptions regarding the dipole's electromagnetic interactions and the locality of the equivalence principle. There are unresolved questions about the practical realization of the theoretical effects discussed.

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Consider an electric dipole consisting of charges ##q## and ##-q##, both of mass ##m##, separated by a distance ##d##.

If the dipole is given an acceleration ##a## perpendicular to its moment the total electric force on it, due to each charge acting on the other, is given approximately by
$$F_e=\frac{e^2a}{c^2d}$$
where we introduce ##e^2 \equiv q^2/4\pi\epsilon_0## for clarity. The exact expression is given in Electrostatic Levitation of a Dipole Eq(5) (http://inspirehep.net/record/206900/files/slac-pub-3529.pdf).

Now suppose the dipole, initially oriented horizontally, is dropped in a vertical gravitational field of strength ##g##.

Applying Newton's second law to the dipole as a whole we have: gravitational force (gravitational mass times field strength) plus electric force must equal the inertial mass times acceleration
$$2mg+F_e=2m a$$
Therefore the acceleration ##a## of the dipole is given by
$$a=g\large(1-\frac{e^2}{2mc^2d}\large)^{-1}$$
Thus the dipole is accelerating faster than gravity. An observer falling with the dipole will see it move away from him whereas in deep space the observer would not see the dipole move away.

Surely this contradicts the equivalence principle?
 
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Actually, if you read the reference, there is no need for global effects, The reference itself uses the POE to predict a gravitation effect, which they then explain.

1) The dipole spontaneously accelerates far away from gravity, in an inertial frame.
2) In a rocket whose acceleration matches the the dipole’s, the dipole will appear to float.

is equivalent to the following on a planet of the right mass and size, over a small region, for a short time (the locality of the POE):

1) The dipole spontaneously accelerates in a free fall frame.
2) The dipole floats in a stationary frame.

The key is that the dipole under discussion is not just neutral matter, it is analogous to a small rocket, with an intrinsic acceleration.

The reference also goes on to state why this theroretical effect can never be achieved in practice.
 
-\frac{e^2}{dc^2} in your Fe forluma is electromagnetic interaction energy/c^2. So mass of the system M is
M=2m - \frac{e^2}{dc^2} < 2m of separate charges. If not dipole but pair of charges of same signature, M=2m + \frac{e^2}{dc^2} > 2m.

May I regard your case same as if a single particle of mass M falls in the gravitational field?
 
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