Great Lakes' ecosystem bigger than Texas?

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The discussion centers on the claim that the Great Lakes ecosystem is larger than the state of Texas, exploring the definitions and interpretations of "ecosystem" and the areas involved. Participants examine the geographical and ecological components of the Great Lakes, including surface area, drainage area, and associated wetlands, while comparing these to Texas's land area.

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  • Some participants note that the Great Lakes ecosystem includes not just the lakes themselves but also rivers, streams, wetlands, and the St. Lawrence Seaway, suggesting a broader definition of ecosystem than just surface area.
  • Others provide specific area measurements, stating that Texas has an area of approximately 268,820 square miles (696,241 km²), while the Great Lakes ecoregion is at least 220,000 square miles, with some estimates suggesting it could be larger when including additional features.
  • One participant emphasizes the difference between 2D area calculations for land (like Texas) and the 3D nature of ecosystems, implying that volumetric considerations may be relevant.
  • Another participant mentions a total drainage area for the Great Lakes of 745,600 square kilometers, which adds complexity to the comparison.
  • Concerns are raised about including areas like Quebec in the discussion, as they may not be directly relevant to the Great Lakes ecosystem.

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Participants express differing views on how to interpret the size and scope of the Great Lakes ecosystem compared to Texas, with no consensus reached on the validity of the original claim or the definitions used.

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Participants highlight the need for clarity regarding definitions of "ecosystem" and the specific areas being compared, as well as the implications of including various geographical features in the calculations.

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hi,

I was watching PBS's Nature program last night, latest episode is about Niagara Falls. at the beginning, it claimed that Great lakes ecosystem is bigger than state of Texas. I had to check the fact after hearing this statement: it certainly doesn't mean the total area, given Great lakes surface area is about 224,000 km^2, so how to interpret the meaning of ecosystem?

Video Link is below.
https://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/about-niagara-falls/28649/
 
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The Great Lakes ecosystem would include the Lakes, many rivers and streams flowing into the Lakes, parts of the St Lawrence Seaway, and "more than 530,000 acres of coastal wetlands and the world's largest freshwater delta (in Lake St. Clair)."

https://www.nwf.org/Educational-Resources/Wildlife-Guide/Wild-Places/Great-Lakes

https://www.noaa.gov/education/resource-collections/freshwater/great-lakes-ecoregion
The Great Lakes system offsite link includes five large lakes, one small lake, four connecting channels, and the St. Lawrence Seaway. The large lakes are Superior, Michigan, Huron, Erie, and Ontario.

https://www.epa.gov/greatlakes/facts-and-figures-about-great-lakes

Texas has an area of approximately 268,820 square miles (696,241 km²), while the area of the Great Lakes ecoregion is at least 220,000 sq miles. Some sites put Texas's land area at ~268600 sq miles.

https://www.thestoryoftexas.com/education/texas-did-you-know
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas

The five Great Lakes have a nominal surface area of 94,250 square miles (244,106 km2).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Lakes

But then one has to add the wetlands and related features. Some might include the entire state of Michigan, about half of Wisconsin and northeastern part of Minnesota, as well as coastal areas of Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, and Ontario, Canada, that border one or more of the lakes.
 
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Just an aside, an area like the state of Texas is a simple 2D calculation, whereas a lake and the Eco system within it is 3D.
 
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pinball1970 said:
Just an aside, an area like the state of Texas is a simple 2D calculation, whereas a lake and the Eco system within it is 3D.
Squash it down I guess.
 
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BillTre said:
Squash it down I guess.
But what will become of the Sears Willis Tower?
 
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arabianights said:
with a total drainage area of 745,600 square kilometres.'
The area associated with Quebec should probably be removed as it is well downstream from Lake Ontario; the downstream portion of the St Lawrence rivers receives water from the Madawaska and Ottawa River drainage areas, and further downstream from the Richelieu River drainage area and Lake Champlain, and various streams. Certainly the Madawaska and Ottawa River systems probably receive some precipitation from the evaporation from the Great Lakes.

https://ijc.org/en/loslrb/watershed/map

https://www.glslcompactcouncil.org/about/about-the-great-lakes-st-lawrence-basin/
 

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