Great Movies and Series [Not Sci-Fi]

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The discussion revolves around opinions and recommendations for great movies and series, specifically excluding sci-fi. Participants share their favorites, explore what constitutes "greatness" in film and television, and engage in light-hearted banter about aging and nostalgia.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant highlights several series featuring strong female leads, such as "The Queen's Gambit," "The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel," and "Orange is the New Black," noting their themes and settings.
  • Another participant recommends "City of God," describing it as a highly regarded film set in the slums of Rio de Janeiro.
  • A participant questions the definition of "great" in movies, suggesting that personal mood influences the perception of quality and that entertaining films may not necessarily be considered great art.
  • Several participants list their favorite non-sci-fi films, including "Beat the Devil," "Bull Durham," and "The Lion in Winter," among others.
  • There is a discussion about the classification of certain shows, with some participants debating whether series like "Dead Like Me" and "Pushing Daisies" fall under sci-fi or fantasy.
  • Humor is present in the conversation, with participants joking about aging and nostalgic references to past experiences with movies and technology.
  • Some participants express their enjoyment of "The Kominsky Method," with one noting its availability on Amazon Prime rather than Netflix.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of opinions on what constitutes a great movie or series, with no consensus on definitions or classifications. There are competing views on the categorization of certain shows as sci-fi or fantasy, and differing tastes in film quality and entertainment value.

Contextual Notes

Participants' definitions of "great" are subjective and influenced by personal preferences and moods. The discussion includes references to various genres, and there is ambiguity regarding the classification of certain series.

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I have a seen a number of great series about women lately.

The Queens Gambit: Loved it!
Set during the Cold War era, orphaned chess prodigy Beth Harmon struggles with addiction in a quest to become the greatest chess player in the world.

The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel:
It's the late 1950s and Miriam "Midge" Maisel has everything she has ever wanted -- the perfect husband, two kids and an elegant apartment on New York's Upper West Side. Her seemingly idyllic life takes a surprising turn when she discovers a hidden talent she didn't previously know she had -- stand-up comedy

Of course this has been around since 2013 and just concluded last year
Orange is the New Black
Piper Chapman is a public relations executive with a career and a fiance when her past suddenly catches up to her. In her mid-30s she is sentenced to spend time in a minimum-security women's prison in Connecticut for her association with a drug runner 10 years earlier.

All on Netflix
 
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Often referred to as "The best film you have never heard of" by those who see it, I can highly recommend the movie "City of God." It's a gangland style movie based in the slums of Rio in Brazil.
 
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This is a difficult question. What is great? If I watch great movies in the sense of qualitatively good art, I have to be in the mood for it. It is like food. You cannot have a great dinner without a certain attitude. Instead I usually want to be entertained, the drive-through at McDonalds so to say. I know a lot of of very entertaining movies and series, but can they be called great? I observed that I prefer those with good (funny) side kicks over those with prominent lead actors, and those with strange plots, which touches the definition of sci-fi which you excluded. Are plots which play with the afterlife, like e.g. Pushing Daisies or Dead like me already sci-fi? Is The Pretender sci-fi? They are almost always fiction, so only the scientific part remains as distinction. But scientific are none of them, even the sci-fi movies aren't.

Hence if I exclude all these: too much fiction, too "fast food", and concentrate on real art, then few movies are left. I'd say Finding Forrester and Smilla's Sense of Snow are two examples I'd call great movies. But there are more - only harder than Lucifer to think of when asked.
 
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I have a large collection of movies on tape which I watch multiple times. The following are my most favorite non-SF favorites, which I consider to be great.
Beat the Devil
Bull Durham
The Horse's Mouth
The Lion in Winter
Pretty Woman
The Red Shoes
A Stranger Among Us
The Turning Point
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel:

All on Netflix
My wife and I love this one. ( though I think is is on Amazon Prime and not Netflix)

Another series we enjoy is

The Kominsky Method With Michael Douglas and Alan Arkin.(Netflix)
 
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I think Matewan is a great movie.
Its from the late 1980's, about unions and coal mining in 1920's in West Virginia.
This movie has it all, great acting, music, gunfights, ...
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Climatic Shootout
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
The Queens Gambit: Loved it!
The funny thing is that all the chess positions are taken from games between male players!
 
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"Spotless" on Netflix
 
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Janus said:
My wife and I love this one. ( though I think is is on Amazon Prime and not Netflix)

I did too. The last I heard, the filming of season 4 was delayed because of Covid [I think it was season 4...]

I read somewhere that it is based loosely on Joan Rivers, which fits.

Another series we enjoy is

The Kominsky Method With Michael Douglas and Alan Arkin.(Netflix)

I will talk a look!
 
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PeroK said:
The funny thing is that all the chess positions are taken from games between male players!

But she's a lot cuter so she wins. :D
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
I will talk a look!
Makes sense! First you came here to look for a talk and now it's time to talk for a look. :biggrin:
 
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fresh_42 said:
Dead like me already sci-fi?

That is fantasy, just like Harry Potter. I did very much enjoy Dead Like Me.

I LOVED The OA too. But that is fantasy.
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
That is fantasy, just like Harry Potter.
Guess I'm a fantasy fan then: Dead like me, Lucifer, Haven, Pushing Daisies, Charmed (original version), Dr. Who, Warehouse 13, The Librarians ...
 
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fresh_42 said:
Guess I'm a fantasy fan then: Dead like me, Lucifer, Haven, Pushing Daisies, Charmed (original version), Dr. Who, Warehouse 13, The Librarians ...

Oh no, Dr Who is real.
 
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MikeeMiracle said:
Often referred to as "The best film you have never heard of" by those who see it, I can highly recommend the movie "City of God." It's a gangland style movie based in the slums of Rio in Brazil.
You might like Tsotsi also.
 
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Here are a few must see historical films.



An some more recent films worth watching.



 
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This one is good, but caution it is disturbing.

 
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Oldies but goldies++
The West Wing
Hill Street Blues
 
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Buzz Bloom said:
on tape
I have heard of those. People of yore used to read movies off of them with a magnifying glass. In-between calling each other on the telegraph and redecorating caves.
 
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One night I saw Anthony Bourdain and a buddy talking with Bill Murray. They discovered that they are all huge fans of a movie from 1989, called Roadhouse. Bill Murray said he had never met anyone who loves Roadhouse as much as he does. So with a referral like that I had to watch it. It was good, especially for a movie of it's kind. I liked it and normally wouldn't care for a movie with that type of plot. But I didn't see why they thought it was such a great movie. My theory is that they were all doing cocaine at the time and it just seemed like one of the greatest movies ever made. :oldeyes:
 
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Bandersnatch said:
I have heard of those. People of yore used to read movies off of them with a magnifying glass. In-between calling each other on the telegraph and redecorating caves.
Ah yes. Those days when all us guys had to walk to and from school, uphill both ways, in the snow, without shoes, carrying our sisters on our backs and our only toys were sticks and cow patties while living in a one room log cabin with no heating or air conditioning . I remember those days well. I used to tell my children about them often.
 
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Janus said:
My wife and I love this one. ( though I think is is on Amazon Prime and not Netflix)

Another series we enjoy is

The Kominsky Method With Michael Douglas and Alan Arkin.(Netflix)

Just finished The Kominsky Method. Loved it! They say season 3 is coming.
 
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PS I didn't even recognize Paul Reiser at first. It was only when I noticed his name in the credits that realized that is him!

Getting old is hell. I feel sorry for all of you people getting old like Paul.
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
I feel sorry for all of you people getting old like Paul.
Are you kidding me? Guy's a spring chicken. He's hardly even moved INTO old yet.
 
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phinds said:
Are you kidding me? Guy's a spring chicken. He's hardly even moved INTO old yet.

Haha, and I'm younger than Reiser but people keep trying to make me old. I won't do it. I'm 25 and I know there is some numbering system in which I can justify that statement.
 
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phinds said:
Are you kidding me? Guy's a spring chicken. He's hardly even moved INTO old yet.
If you two now start talking about diseases, who has recently left, and what aches the most ...
 
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fresh_42 said:
If you two now start talking about diseases, who has recently left, and what aches the most ...
Oh, don't get me started ... :oldlaugh:
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
I'm 25 and I know there is some numbering system in which I can justify that statement.
No, change it to 39 and go with Jack Benny.
 
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phinds said:
No, change it to 39 and go with Jack Benny.
I found a base for 32. Guess I stick with that.
 
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