Griffiths 8.5: Impulse and Momentum parallel plate capacitor

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The discussion focuses on Griffiths problem 8.5, which involves calculating the total impulse on parallel plate capacitors when the top plate moves downwards. The momentum in the fields is given by $$\textbf{p}=Ad\mu_0 \sigma^2 v \hat{\textbf{y}}$$. The only significant component of the impulse is due to the induced electric field, as the magnetic repulsion forces between the plates cancel each other out. The discussion emphasizes that forces acting perpendicularly to the ##\hat y## direction do not contribute to the impulse in that direction, clarifying common misconceptions regarding the role of magnetic repulsion.

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Summary:: Griffiths problem 8.5

Problem 8.5 of Griffiths (in attachment)

I already solved part (a), and found the momentum in the fields to be $$\textbf{p}=Ad\mu_0 \sigma^2 v \hat{\textbf{y}}$$
In part (b), I am asked to find the total impulse imparted on the plates if the top plate starts moving downwards.
Since the electrostatic attraction cancels out, I find that the only components of the impulse are:
1) the magnetic repulsion of top plate by bottom plate
2) the magnetic repulsion of bottom plate by top plate
3) as the top plate moves down, the magnetic field above drops to zero inducing an electric field which acts on the bottom plate
However, doing so I find that the first two components cancel out, and that therefore the only component to the impulse is that of the induced electric field, which is half the momentum stored in the fields.
I have seen some solutions and they don't take into account the magnetic repulsion of bottom plate by top plate, why so?

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KDPhysics said:
I have seen some solutions and they don't take into account the magnetic repulsion of bottom plate by top plate, why so?
The initial electromagnetic momentum in the fields between the plates is in the ##\hat y## direction. Therefore, the impulse associated with the loss of this field momentum must be associated with forces acting parallel to ##\hat y##. Since any attractive or repulsive forces between the plates act perpendicularly to ##\hat y##, these forces do not contribute any impulse in the ##\hat y##-direction.
 
TSny said:
The initial electromagnetic momentum in the fields between the plates is in the ##\hat y## direction. Therefore, the impulse associated with the loss of this field momentum must be associated with forces acting parallel to ##\hat y##. Since any attractive or repulsive forces between the plates act perpendicularly to ##\hat y##, these forces do not contribute any impulse in the ##\hat y##-direction.
So then I should not take into consideration the magnetic repulsion?
 
KDPhysics said:
So then I should not take into consideration the magnetic repulsion?
I believe that's right. I think the purpose of the problem is to understand what's going on with momentum and impulse in the ##\hat y## direction.
 

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