Group Theory for Physics: Weyl vs Herstein?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the suitability of using Herstein's abstract algebra book versus Weyl's "Group Theory & Quantum Mechanics" for studying group theory in a mathematical physics course. Participants explore the content and focus of both texts in relation to the course topics, which include symmetries, discrete groups, homomorphisms, isomorphisms, continuous groups, and linear transformations in phase space.

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  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses doubt about the adequacy of the professor's lecture notes for studying group theory and questions whether Herstein's book would suffice.
  • Another participant suggests that the effectiveness of the lecture notes may vary based on their elaborateness and the course level, which is not specified.
  • A participant mentions that the course is at the upper-undergraduate level and believes Herstein is digestible despite not being recommended by the professor.
  • Some participants argue that while Herstein is more elementary and lacks a physics orientation, it could still be beneficial as a supplementary resource.
  • It is noted that there is little overlap between Weyl and Herstein, with Weyl covering more advanced topics such as group representations and their applications in physics.
  • A participant questions whether Weyl covers all the topics mentioned in the initial post, suggesting uncertainty about the completeness of Herstein's treatment of group theory.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that Herstein may not fully substitute for Weyl due to differences in content focus, but opinions vary on the extent to which Herstein can be useful as a supplementary resource. There is no consensus on which book is definitively better for the course material.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of information about the course prerequisites and the specific content of the professor's notes, which may influence the choice of textbook. There is also mention of varying levels of detail in lecture notes, which could affect their utility.

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I study physics and currently taking a mathematical physics course. One of the topics is group theory and we will see the following topics:

Symmetries, discrete groups, homomorphisms, isomorphisms, continuous groups, and linear transformations in phase space.

This topic will be covered with the professor's notes, but I doubt that will be enough to study for the material. He recommends Herman Weyl's book "Group theory & Quantum Mechanics", but I've also skimmed through Herstein's abstract algebra and like it quite a lot.

My question to you then is: Can I use Herstein's book to study for these materials? Namely I plan to read the chapter on Group Theory and that's it.

What do you think? Should I opt instead for Weyl's book? It doesn't seem too mathematical by the way.
 
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davidbenari said:
This topic will be covered with the professor's notes, but I doubt that will be enough to study for the material.

This of course depends on how elaborate and extensive your professor's lecture notes are. Some professors tend to write books and call them lecture notes. For others, lecture notes are simply scans of hastily scribbled class notes.

You do not mention which level your course is at or what the prerequisites of the course are. The choice of book might also depend upon such thing as well as on whether or not you want to have a book which goes deeper than the course material.
 
Orodruin said:
Some professors tend to write books and call them lecture notes
I'm assuming his notes aren't that elaborate and I'm nearly 100% sure about that.

Orodruin said:
You do not mention which level your course is at or what the prerequisites of the course are.
This is a 5th semester course, so I guess it qualifies as an upper-undergraduate level course. I think Herstein is a pretty common undergraduate abstract algebra textbook and I feel that I can easily digest it even though it was not mentioned as a recommendation by this professor.

Thanks.
 
Herstein certainly won't harm you. If you like it, go for it. It is not physics oriented, but I don't see why you can't use more than one book.
 
there is very little overlap between weyl and herstein, and herstein is much more elementary, so it won't substitute for weyl, although it may help you get started. weyl has a lot on "group representations", or homomorphisms from a group into groups of matrices, or linear transformations, as well; as tensors. It also has a lot of physics while herstein has none. certainly herstein is likely to be easier to read than weyl and more modern.
 
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Am I correct in saying that Weyl treats the topics I mentioned, while Herstein doesn't? I've seen the chapter on group theory by Herstein and it doesn't seem to contain all the topics I mentioned. Probably I'm wrong... Does anyone have a say on this?
 

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