Group Theory: Prove o(b) even if ab = b^-1a

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The problem involves group theory, specifically examining the orders of elements in a group under certain conditions. The original poster seeks to prove that the order of element b divides 2 given that the order of element a is odd and that the elements satisfy the relation ab = b^-1a.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of the relation ab = b^-1a and its effects on the structure of products involving a and b. Questions arise regarding the normalization of products and the potential patterns that can be derived from the relation.

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Some participants have offered insights into manipulating the given relation to derive properties of the elements involved. There is an ongoing exploration of how these manipulations might lead to conclusions about the order of b, with various interpretations being discussed.

Contextual Notes

There is a recognition that the group G is not necessarily abelian, which complicates the reasoning. Additionally, the distinction between proving that o(b) is even versus showing that o(b) divides 2 is noted, indicating a nuanced understanding of the problem's requirements.

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Group Theory: Prove o(b)|2 if ab = b^-1a

Homework Statement



Suppose G is a group and a, b \in G
a) If o(a) is odd and a*b = b^−1*a, prove that o(b)|2.
b) If o(a) is even and a*b = b^−1*a, does it follow that o(b)|2? Prove your answer.

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The Attempt at a Solution


a) since ab = b^-1a, bab = a
(bab)^o(a) = a^o(a)
so, b^o(a)a^o(a)b^o(a) = e
[[I now realize I can't do this since G is not necessarily abelian, so not commutative..but ploughing on...]]
b^2o(a) = e, thus o(b) is even

I don't know how to approach this one. Been stuck on it for a frustrating amount of time now.
 
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What is aba-1? a2ba-2? a3ba-3? Can you find a general pattern for anban?

Incidentally, you aren't trying to prove that o(b) is even (indeed, this is impossible, as b=e satisfies the identity ab=b-1a). You are trying to prove that o(b) divides 2, i.e. that b2 = e
 
When I see relations like

Dromepalin said:
a*b = b^−1*a

I like to use them to normalize products. Given any product of a's and b's (and their inverses), you can use this relation to move all the a's to the left and the b's to the right.

So, I am inclined to try and write down products of a's and b's that might be interesting, and see what they normalize to.
 
Thank you very much Citan Uzuki and Hurkyl :D
Here's how I did it:
ab = b^-1a
a = bab And a = b^-1ab^-1. Let me be the odd integer such that o(a) = m
Then: a^m = (bab)(b^-1ab^-1)(bab)...(bab)(b^-1ab^-1)(bab) = ba^mb
Thus b^2 = 1 and o(b)|2
 
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