Hamiltonian Flow: Meaning & Definition

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The discussion centers on the concept of "Hamiltonian flow" as described by Roger Penrose in "The Road to Reality." It is established that Hamiltonian flow is closely related to Hamiltonian vector fields, with the flow being a map that describes the evolution of points in phase space over time. The mathematical expression for Hamiltonian flow is given as {H, } = \frac{\partial \mathcal{H}}{\partial p_r} \frac{\partial }{\partial q^r} - \frac{\partial \mathcal{H}}{\partial q^r}\frac{\partial }{\partial p_r}. The discussion clarifies that while Hamiltonian flow and Hamiltonian vector fields are not precisely synonymous, they are fundamentally interconnected, with Penrose's terminology slightly diverging from standard definitions.

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In The Road to Reality, § 20.2, Roger Penrose talks about a "vector field on the phase space T^*(C)", where C is a configuration space. He calls this vector field "the Hamiltonian flow", draws it as little arrows in Fig. 20.5 (that's his typical way of drawing tangent vectors, in contrast to the little squares or tablet shapes he uses to depict cotangent vectors), and expresses it in two different notations:

\left \{ H, \enspace \right \} = \frac{\partial \mathcal{H}}{\partial p_r} \frac{\partial }{\partial q^r} - \frac{\partial \mathcal{H}}{\partial q^r}\frac{\partial }{\partial p_r}

Does this mean that the Hamiltonian flow is a section of the tangent bundle of the cotangent bundle of the configuration space, i.e. the tangent bundle of the phase space, i.e. T(T^*(C))?

On Wikipedia "Hamiltonian flow" redirects to "Hamiltonian vector field", as if they might be synonymous, but the article mentions in passing "the flow of a Hamiltonian vector field" (without defining it), as if the author of that part considered them not synonymous.

The article Hamiltonian systems at Scholarpedia has the equation:

i_X \omega \equiv \omega(X, \; \cdot \;) = dH

which I suppose could be turned around to give

\omega^{-1}(dH, \; \cdot \; ) = X.

The word "flow" crops up a few times in the latter article, but isn't explained at an introductory level. If not identical to the Hamiltonian vector field, but closely enough related for Penrose to treat them as the same thing, I wonder if the Hamiltonian flow is dH, to those authors who make a distinction, a section of the cotangent bundle of the cotangent bundle of the configuration space.

The Wikipedia definition of flow in general, at first sight, seems like a slightly different way of formalizing the idea that Wald, Isham and this page call a curve, which I've more often seen called a parameterization (of a curve, the curve being thought of as what Wald, Isham etc. would call the image of a curve). But I could well be mistaken.
 
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Rasalhague said:
In The Road to Reality, § 20.2, Roger Penrose talks about a "vector field on the phase space T^*(C)", where C is a configuration space. He calls this vector field "the Hamiltonian flow", draws it as little arrows in Fig. 20.5 (that's his typical way of drawing tangent vectors, in contrast to the little squares or tablet shapes he uses to depict cotangent vectors), and expresses it in two different notations:

\left \{ H, \enspace \right \} = \frac{\partial \mathcal{H}}{\partial p_r} \frac{\partial }{\partial q^r} - \frac{\partial \mathcal{H}}{\partial q^r}\frac{\partial }{\partial p_r}

Does this mean that the Hamiltonian flow is a section of the tangent bundle of the cotangent bundle of the configuration space, i.e. the tangent bundle of the phase space, i.e. T(T^*(C))?

Yes, precisely!

Rasalhague said:
On Wikipedia "Hamiltonian flow" redirects to "Hamiltonian vector field", as if they might be synonymous, but the article mentions in passing "the flow of a Hamiltonian vector field" (without defining it), as if the author of that part considered them not synonymous.

They are basically synonymous, but not precisely synonymous. Given a vector field X on a manifold, its flow is a map f: M x R-->M, such that f(p,t) is the point in M where a particle starting at p would be after voyaging for a time t in the velocity field X. Reciprocally, given a map f: M x R-->M with the properties of a flow, differentiating it, you can find a unique vector field X having f has its flow. (Called the "infinitesimal generator" of f in physics) These are not difficult ideas but I must admit that this is not transparent from browsing wikiepdia. As usual, Lee's Introduction to Smooth Manifold has the clearest exposition of these notions. (And it even has a few pages about Hamiltonian dynamics I do believe.)

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The article Hamiltonian systems at Scholarpedia has the equation:

i_X \omega \equiv \omega(X, \; \cdot \;) = dH

which I suppose could be turned around to give

\omega^{-1}(dH, \; \cdot \; ) = X.

Given a hamiltonian function H on a symplectic manifold (M,w), the hamiltonian vector field associated to H, also called the symplectic gradient of H, is the vector field X obtained by "dualizing dH" via w has you wrote. The hamiltonian flow is then simply the flow of X. But apparently, Penrose chose to depart from usual terminology a little and call X itself the hamiltonian flow of H.

Observe that the ordinary gradient of a function H is the vector field obtained by "dualizing dH" as above, not via w, but via the scalar product, or more generally a riemannian metric.
 
Thanks, Quasar. That helps a lot. The concept of flow sounds very much like stream lines, field lines, geodesics...
 

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