Hard integration by parts question,

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of the integral from 4 to 6 of the function 1/(t^2-9) dt, which falls under the subject area of calculus, specifically integration techniques.

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  • Participants explore various methods for solving the integral, including the use of partial fractions and hyperbolic functions. There is a focus on the original poster's approach, which involves manipulating the integrand and applying logarithmic properties. Some participants express confusion regarding the steps taken and the validity of the transformations applied.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing alternative methods and questioning the original poster's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of partial fractions, while others suggest that there may have been a misunderstanding in the manipulation of the integral.

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There are indications of potential errors in the original setup or transformations, as some participants suggest that a square root may have been omitted. The original poster's final expression is also noted to differ from another participant's result, highlighting the complexity of the problem.

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Homework Statement




Integral, from 4 to 6, 1/(t^2-9) dt

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please use my approach to solve it, like with cosh and whatnot

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Integral, from 4 to 6, 1/(t^2-9) dt

so I multiplied the top and bottom by square root of 9.
which got me square root of (t/3)^2 - 1 in the denominator.
so I got integrated that into arccosh (t/3) - arccosh (t/3) from 4 to 6
after some solving, it came down to square root of 9 times ((ln(2)+squareroot3))-(ln(4/3)+squareroo… And that is where I got stuck. If I distribute in the square root 9,it should be (3 ln(2) + square root 3) - (3 ln (4/3) + square root (7/9)), which results in (ln 8 + 3*square root 3) - (ln (4/3)^3 + 3*square root (7)). But when I distribute the square root 9 in and when it multiplies with ln(2), for example, it should be ln 2^3 and not ln 2*3 based on the multiplication rule of natural log. But by doing the wrong way, it perfectly leads to the answer, which is ln(6+3*square root 3)/(3+square root 7)

Please help

Thankssss
 
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I'm a bit confused as to the approach you're taking. If you split that given fraction to get partial fractions, you can integrate each term easily, for which will you get log functions, substitute the values and then you're done.
 
[itex]t^2-9=(t-3)(t+3)[/itex]. Partial fractions, and you're done.
 
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limelightdevo said:
Integral, from 4 to 6, 1/(t^2-9) dt
$$\int_4^6 \frac{1}{t^2-9}\,dt$$
so I multiplied the top and bottom by square root of 9.
Also known as 3.
which got me square root of (t/3)^2 - 1 in the denominator.
What you've said so far doesn't make sense. This is what you said you did:
$$\int_4^6 \frac{1}{t^2-9}\,dt = \int_4^6 \frac{3}{3(t^2-9)}\,dt \ne \int_4^6 \frac{1}{\sqrt{(t/3)^2-1}}\,dt$$ The rest of what you did follows from this mistake, so it's all wrong. What I think you meant was that you factored 9 out of the denominator:
$$\int_4^6 \frac{1}{t^2-9}\,dt = \int_4^6 \frac{1}{9[(t/3)^2-1]}\,dt$$ Still, the square root wouldn't appear out of nowhere. Or perhaps you mistyped the original problem here, and what you did was
$$\int_4^6 \frac{1}{\sqrt{t^2-9}}\,dt = \int_4^6 \frac{1}{\sqrt{9[(t/3)^2-1]}}\,dt = \int_4^6 \frac{1}{3\sqrt{(t/3)^2-1}}\,dt$$ because that would be okay so far.
so I got integrated that into arccosh (t/3) - arccosh (t/3) from 4 to 6
after some solving, it came down to square root of 9 times ((ln(2)+squareroot3))-(ln(4/3)+squareroo… And that is where I got stuck. If I distribute in the square root 9,it should be (3 ln(2) + square root 3) - (3 ln (4/3) + square root (7/9)), which results in (ln 8 + 3*square root 3) - (ln (4/3)^3 + 3*square root (7)). But when I distribute the square root 9 in and when it multiplies with ln(2), for example, it should be ln 2^3 and not ln 2*3 based on the multiplication rule of natural log. But by doing the wrong way, it perfectly leads to the answer, which is ln(6+3*square root 3)/(3+square root 7)

Please help
 
Think you forgot to put a square root in your question, or you wouldn't have got the answer you got. I used a sec substitution and got ##\displaystyle\ln\left(\frac{6+3\sqrt{3}}{4+\sqrt{7}}\right)##, which is slightly different to your answer.
 
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