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The discussion revolves around the convergence of series and integrals involving positive and continuous functions defined on the interval [1, ∞). Participants are exploring the implications of two statements regarding the convergence of series and integrals, questioning whether one implies the other.

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  • Participants present counterexamples to the convergence statements, particularly using functions like \(\sin^2{(n\Pi)}\) and discussing the construction of functions that are zero at integers but have specific behaviors near those points.

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There are ongoing attempts to formalize functions that meet the criteria of the problem. Some participants have offered suggestions and counterexamples, while others are still grappling with how to construct appropriate functions. The discussion is active, with various lines of reasoning being explored.

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Participants are considering the requirement that functions must be nonnegative and continuous, and there is a focus on the limit behavior of these functions as \(x\) approaches infinity. The challenge of defining functions that meet these criteria while also demonstrating the desired convergence properties is a central theme.

  • #31
When x = n your second one gives -1, so it's still wrong. And if you simplify your first one by multiplying numerator and denominator by 2nyou can write it as

1 + 2n(x-n)

You should be able to write the second piece similarly. Keeping it simple is always a good idea.
 
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  • #32
LCKurtz said:
When x = n your second one gives -1, so it's still wrong. And if you simplify your first one by multiplying numerator and denominator by 2nyou can write it as

1 + 2n(x-n)

You should be able to write the second piece similarly. Keeping it simple is always a good idea.

But the second one deals with x\in (n,n+(1/2)^n] or I missed something?
 
  • #33
estro said:
But the second one deals with x\in (n,n+(1/2)^n] or I missed something?

Sure, the second one applies to that interval but your formula for it is wrong. You should get 1 when x = n in both of them.
 
  • #34
<br /> <br /> f(x) = \left\{<br /> \begin{array}{c l}<br /> 2^n(x-n)-1, &amp; \mbox{if } x \in [n-(1/2)^n, n] \mbox{ while } n=min\{ |\lfloor x \rfloor - x|, |\lfloor x+1 \rfloor - x| \}\\<br /> \\<br /> 2^n(n-x)+1, &amp; \mbox{if } x \in (n, n+(1/2)^n] \mbox{ while } n=min\{ |\lfloor x \rfloor - x|, |\lfloor x+1 \rfloor - x| \}\\<br /> \\<br /> 0, &amp; \mbox{otherwise}<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right.<br /> <br />
 
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  • #35
Haven't we gone over this before:

1. Your function must have a negative slope on the right side of the interval.

2. When you put x = n in either formula, you have to get 1.

If your formula doesn't satisfy both of those, it is wrong. Think about it. I have to leave now for today.
 
  • #36
I believe it was fatigue blunder (embarrassing).

<br /> <br /> f(x) = \left\{<br /> \begin{array}{c l}<br /> 2^n(x-n)+1, &amp; \mbox{if } x \in [n-(1/2)^n, n] \mbox{ while } n=min\{ |\lfloor x \rfloor - x|, |\lfloor x+1 \rfloor - x| \}\\<br /> \\<br /> 2^n(n-x)+1, &amp; \mbox{if } x \in (n, n+(1/2)^n] \mbox{ while } n=min\{ |\lfloor x \rfloor - x|, |\lfloor x+1 \rfloor - x| \}\\<br /> \\<br /> 0, &amp; \mbox{otherwise}<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right.<br />

Many times I have simple idea for a solution fairly fast, but when I try to apply it and actually write equations my intuition is letting me down and I get lost.
This was a good example for it, without your help most likely I would spent a week(it actually happens to me occasionally) crunching this problem even though having the idea.
 
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