Hard to find bubble rise paper/bubble shape determination

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the search for academic papers related to the determination of gas-bubble shape in fluid dynamics, particularly focusing on the evolution of bubble shape as a variational problem. Participants express interest in seminal works that minimize free energy and derive equations for bubble shapes, as well as challenges in accessing specific references.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a specific paper by O. M. Kiselev from 1963, noting difficulties due to the journal's publication timeline.
  • Another participant provides several links to papers that may relate to bubble shape and variational problems, suggesting they could be relevant.
  • A participant expresses a desire for a seminal paper that minimizes free energy and provides an approximate solution for bubble equations, indicating they have derived an equation that behaves correctly under certain conditions but struggles with perturbative solutions involving density gradients.
  • Additional references are proposed, including works by Miksis, Vanden-Broeck, Keller, and Duineveld, which may offer insights into bubble dynamics.
  • One participant mentions encountering access issues with articles published in the Cambridge Journal of Fluid Dynamics due to subscription limitations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the specific seminal paper sought, and multiple competing views on relevant literature and approaches remain. The discussion reflects a shared interest in the topic but highlights ongoing challenges in accessing and identifying key resources.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the existence of specific foundational papers and the accessibility of certain journals, indicating limitations in their search for relevant literature.

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Hi all. I'm looking for a paper that I've seen referenced in a couple of articles I've been reading. The paper is

O. M. Kiselev, Determination of gas-bubble shape in axisymmetric flow of fluid, Zh. Prikl. Mekhan. Tekh. Fiz., No. 3 (1963).

The English name of the journal is Journal of Applied Mechanics and Technical Physics. The biggest obstacle to me getting this paper is the fact that the journal didn't begin publication until 1965!

More generally, does anyone know of any papers treating bubble shape evolution as a variational problem? All of the papers I've found make assumptions about bubble shape and then worry about the fluid dynamics.

I read one paper by Frolov that suggests that Landau and Lifgarbagez tackle this problem in their Fluid Mechanics book, but I can't seem to find the page for this.

Thanks.
 
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Thanks for the references. I guess what I'm really looking for is a seminal paper in this field in which the free energy is minimized and an equation for the bubble is found, and solved approximately. I've already produced what I think is the correct equation. It has the correct behavior in the absence of a density gradient (i.e. assuming constant radius leads to Young-Laplace), but the perturbative solution for a small density gradient is not forthcoming.

It seems like this is the kind of calculation that someone would have done 50-100 years ago, but I just can't find it. I was hopeful that the 1963 paper I mentioned would be what I'm looking for, but as I say it's nowhere to be found.
 
Thanks. I've come across several interesting articles published in the Cambridge Journal of Fluid Dynamics, including these two. Unfortunately my school only has a subscription for 1997-present, so I haven't been able to view them. I'm currently figuring out how I can access them.
 

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