Harmonic Oscillator Homework: Graph, Spring Constant & Weight

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The discussion revolves around a harmonic oscillator experiment involving a basket and weights attached to a spring. The original poster presents data on the period of oscillation for varying weights and seeks to determine the spring constant and the weight of the basket.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the period and mass in the context of the harmonic oscillator formula. Questions arise regarding the correct interpretation of mass in the equation, particularly concerning the basket's weight. There are also mentions of the need to square the periods for analysis.

Discussion Status

Some participants have pointed out potential errors in the original poster's calculations, particularly regarding the squaring of periods and the interpretation of the mass involved. There is an ongoing exploration of how to accurately derive the spring constant and the basket's weight from the provided data.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of confusion regarding the notation used for the spring constant, with suggestions to use 'k' instead of 'c'. Additionally, the original poster's calculations are under scrutiny for accuracy, particularly in relation to the data presented.

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Homework Statement


A test was made with a basket and 20 gram weights. they were put in the basket which hang on a spring, the basket was raised and released. the period was measured for a few number of weights in the basket. the results are as follows. the first of every pair is the number of weights and the second is the period in seconds:
(2, 0.53), (3, 0.60), (4, 0.66), (5, 0.72), (6, 0.77)
Draw a graph of T2 as a function of the number of weights, n. comes out a straight line.
What is the spring constant and the weight of the basket.

Homework Equations


Period: $$T=2\pi\sqrt{\frac{m}{c}}$$

The Attempt at a Solution


From the above equation $$T^2=\frac{4\pi^2}{c}\cdot m$$
The slope $$\frac{4\pi^2}{c}$$ based on the last and first couples:
##\frac{4\pi^2}{c}=\frac{0.77-0.53}{(6-2)\cdot 0.02}=3\rightarrow c=13.2##
The spring constant c should be around 10[N/m]
The intersection with the T2 axis: i take the first pair:
##0.53=3\cdot 0.04+B\rightarrow B=0.41##
I insert this B into: $$T^2=\frac{4\pi^2}{c}\cdot m$$
And get:
##0.41=3\cdot m_{basket} \rightarrow m_{basket}=0.14##
It should be around 30 grams
 

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Not sure why you did what you did, so:

Your basic period is as you say, T = 2π√(m/k). (Use k instead of c. c is usually associated with damping).

But you realize that the basket has some mass also. So what is m actually?

Can you pick data points to solve for T (and incidentally the basket weight also)?
 
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You forgot to square the periods.
 
dauto said:
You forgot to square the periods.

That part the OP already did.

The second part of the question was "What is the spring constant and the weight of the basket." The provided data was in T, not T2,
 
rude man said:
That part the OP already did.

The second part of the question was "What is the spring constant and the weight of the basket." The provided data was in T, not T2,

No, they didn't. They forgot to do it. Look at their calculation of the slope.
 
dauto said:
No, they didn't. They forgot to do it. Look at their calculation of the slope.

You're right, I saw the graph & thought they got it right. I should have read the part where they said they didn't!

Anyway, my response was to part 2 only.
 

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