Harmonic oscillator in a time-dependent force

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the determination of the classical action for a harmonic oscillator subjected to a time-dependent force within the framework of quantum mechanics. Participants explore the appropriate methods for integrating the Lagrangian and finding the propagator for the system.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the Lagrangian for a harmonic oscillator under a time-dependent force and expresses confusion about integrating it to find the classical action.
  • Another participant agrees with the initial procedure proposed for finding the classical action but acknowledges difficulties in extracting the correct result from the general solution.
  • A third participant suggests that the problem has been previously discussed and provides a link for additional insights, emphasizing the need to find the propagator and satisfy boundary conditions when combining solutions.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the insights shared, indicating that the discussion has been helpful.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no clear consensus on the method for integrating the Lagrangian or the extraction of the classical action, as participants express differing levels of understanding and confidence in their approaches.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for boundary conditions and the integration process, indicating potential limitations in their current understanding or application of the methods discussed.

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Readers interested in quantum mechanics, specifically those studying harmonic oscillators and time-dependent forces, may find this discussion relevant.

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In quantum mechanics, one of the major concerns is the propagator determination of the system. The propagator is completely expressed in terms of its classical in the Van-Vleck Pauli Formula.
In a harmonic oscillator in a time dependent force, the Lagrangian is given by
L=1/2m(dx/dt)^2-1/2mw^2x^2-e(t)x (eqn.1)
the equation of motion according to Lagrange equation is
(d/dt)(dx/dt)+w^2x=-1/m[e(t)] (eqn.2)
the general solution (classical path) to this equation consists of a homogeneous plus the particular solution.
In order to get the classical action of the system, i need to integrate the Lagrangian (eqn.1) from 0 to T with the classical path now as the x. But it seems that i cannot correctly get the classical action needed for the system. Do i need to substitute the general solution to the Lagrangian or i just have to substitute the homogeneous solution to the simple harmonic oscillator part and then substitute the general solution to the potential term the e(t)x. I'm really bothered regarding with this matter. Can someone enlightened me with this? An answer to this is very much appreciated. Thank you very much.


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I believe the first procedure is the correct one, and should work.
 
I also think of that as the correct answer, but i can't really extract the correct classical action of the system from the general solution of the classical path. I guess i do need more knowledge when it comes to integration following a long and tedious job.
 
This is a known problem and has been discussed here before. I think the link can give you some hints:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=288742

The idea is to find the propagator (kernel) for this Lagrangian and then you have he solution for all times. Generally in finding Green functions you add homogeneous solution (classical harmonic oscillator) and the particular solution, like A*x_hom+B*x_part, but you must determine A and B so that you satisfy the boundary conditions.
 
Thank you very much for your brilliant insights and big help. It really helped a lot.
God bless you.
 

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