Harmonic Oscillator kinetic and potential energies

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The discussion revolves around a simple harmonic oscillator, focusing on determining the kinetic and potential energies at a specific displacement relative to the amplitude. Participants are exploring the relationships between total energy, kinetic energy, and potential energy in this context.

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  • Participants attempt to calculate kinetic and potential energies when the displacement is three-fourths of the amplitude, referencing previous examples. Some express uncertainty about the correctness of their calculations and seek clarification on the conditions under which kinetic energy equals half of potential energy.

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There is an ongoing examination of the calculations provided by participants, with some questioning the accuracy of the results obtained. Guidance is offered regarding the relationships between kinetic energy, potential energy, and displacement, but no consensus has been reached on the correct answers.

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Participants mention discrepancies between their calculations and feedback from an online quiz, indicating potential confusion or misinterpretation of the problem setup. There is also a reference to a lack of clarity in the textbook regarding the topic.

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A simple harmonic oscillator has a total energy of E.

(a) Determine the kinetic and potential energies when the displacement is three-fourths the amplitude. (Give your answer in terms of total energy E of the oscillator.)

Kinetic energy ______________ x E <----(times E)

Potential energy _____________ x E <-----(times E)(b) For what value of the displacement does the kinetic energy equal one half the potential energy? (Give your answer in terms of the amplitude A of the oscillator.)_________________ AI followed an example from the book, which was the same question, except for A and B it was one-half, and their answers are for (a) Kinetic is 3/4 E and potential is 1/4 E. and I have no clue on B

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lydster said:
A simple harmonic oscillator has a total energy of E.

(a) Determine the kinetic and potential energies when the displacement is three-fourths the amplitude. (Give your answer in terms of total energy E of the oscillator.)

Kinetic energy ______________ x E <----(times E)

Potential energy _____________ x E <-----(times E)(b) For what value of the displacement does the kinetic energy equal one half the potential energy? (Give your answer in terms of the amplitude A of the oscillator.)_________________ A

I followed an example from the book, which was the same question, except for A and B it was one-half, and their answers are for (a) Kinetic is 3/4 E and potential is 1/4 E. and I have no clue on B
I don't think those answers are right.

The potential energy for a harmonic oscillator is:

PE = \frac{1}{2}kx^2

The total energy is the PE when KE=0 which occurs at maximum amplitude. ie total E is:

E = \frac{1}{2}kA^2

So KE = E - PE = \frac{1}{2}k(A^2 - x^2) = \frac{1}{2}kA^2(1 - (\frac{x}{A})^2) = E(1 - (\frac{x}{A})^2)

where x is the displacement and A is the maximum amplitude.

So for a), if displacement is 3/4 of A, then KE = 7/16 of E and PE is 9/16 of E

For b) if KE = .5PE, then PE = E/1.5 = 1/3kA^2. You can work out the displacement from that.

AM
 
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Yeah I got a friend to try those numbers, and they didn't work out. He got the same answers as you, and they are wrong. Hmmmm...I dunno. Everything that you said makes sense
 
lydster said:
Yeah I got a friend to try those numbers, and they didn't work out. He got the same answers as you, and they are wrong. Hmmmm...I dunno. Everything that you said makes sense
What makes you think the 7/16 , 9/16 answer is wrong?

The answer to b), if kA^2/3 = kx^2/2 then

x = \sqrt{\frac{2}{3}}A = .8165A

What does your book say?

AM
 
Because my online quiz thing automatically says if I'm right or wrong, and those answers were off. It said that I was within 10%-100% of the actualy answer. My book doesn't really say anything on that.
 

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