Has the Material Yielded Under Combined Bending and Torsion?

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The discussion revolves around the application of yield criteria, specifically Tresca and Von Mises, in the context of combined bending and torsion in materials. Participants are exploring how to determine if a material has yielded and entered plastic deformation based on theoretical calculations and practical examples.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the application of Tresca and Von Mises criteria in their lab report, questioning whether a value over 1 indicates yielding and plastic deformation.
  • Another participant provides a detailed explanation of the Von Mises criterion, describing it as a method to combine shear and bending stresses, and emphasizes the importance of keeping combined stresses below the yield stress.
  • A third participant clarifies the distinctions between Von Mises and Tresca theories, noting that Von Mises is based on distortion energy while Tresca focuses on maximum shear stress, and mentions their typical applications to ductile and brittle materials, respectively.

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Participants generally agree on the definitions and applications of the yield criteria, but there is no consensus on the specific implications of the calculations for determining yielding in practice. Uncertainty remains regarding the interpretation of values obtained from the criteria.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about material behavior under combined loading and the specific conditions under which the yield criteria apply. The discussion does not resolve the complexities of applying these theories in various scenarios.

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Im currently writing a lab report on combined bending and torsion and comparing yield points to theory. I'm not quite sure I know what is going on though. I understnad what Tresca and Von Mises is but I'm not sure how they apply. If I were to use the equations and obtain a value over 1 for each criteria, does this mean that the material has yielded and is now in plastic deformation? Has anyone got any simple explanations and applications of this theory, I'd really appreciate it.
 
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Im currently writing a lab report on combined bending and torsion and comparing yield points to theory. I'm not quite sure I know what is going on though. I understnad what Tresca and Von Mises is but I'm not sure how they apply. If I were to use the equations and obtain a value over 1 for each criteria, does this mean that the material has yielded and is now in plastic deformation? Has anyone got any simple explanations and applications of this theory, I'd really appreciate it.
I don't know much about Tresca, but I've used Von Mises on a few occasions. Von Mises is just a combined shear and bending stress and axial stress equation that uses the 'square root of the sum of the squares' combined stresses, with shear stress adjusted by a factor of root 3 so that the combined stress resultant can be compared to the yield stress of the metal(shear ultimate stress is approximately the tensile yield stress dived by root 3). So what I do is determine the design load bending and axial stress, and multiply it by an overload factor, then determine the shear load stress, multiply it by a load factor and the sq rt of 3, then take the sq rt of the sum of the squares of those values and be sure that the result is less than the yield stress. As an example using USA A36 steel which has a tensile yield stress of 36 Ksi, if the bending stress with overload factor is 30 ksi and the shear stress with overload factor is 5 ksi, then the sq rt of [(30)^2 + 3(5)^2)] is 31.2 ksi less than 36 ksi...OK! Now you can go to Wiki and read all about plasticity and principal stress etc but just keep combined stresses per formula less than yield and you are fine (and using a healthy overload factor saves the day)
 
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Von Mises and Tresca are just theories of when yielding begins. Von Mises is based on distortion energy and Tresca is based on maximum shear stress. Depending on which one you want to use, you plug in your principal stresses and see if the value is below your material tension allowable. If it is, you can say it won't yield. However, usually von Mises is for ductile materials and Tresca is used for brittle materials, but that's not a hard and fast rule.
 
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Thank you both. Excellent help.
 

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