Have any famous or well known scientists come to this site?

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The discussion centers on the presence of famous scientists in an online forum, with participants noting that while some well-known physicists like Brian Cox and Lev Okun have engaged briefly, their fame does not always translate to recognition within the forum community. The conversation highlights the distinction between being a renowned scientist and an internet celebrity, suggesting that many scientists are not widely recognized outside their specific fields. Participants express skepticism about the demand for famous scientists to join the forum, questioning the value of such participation given their existing commitments. The dialogue also touches on the varying degrees of fame and recognition among scientists, with some being well-known to peers but not to the general public. Ultimately, the thread reflects on the complexities of fame in the scientific community and the differing perceptions of what constitutes a "famous" scientist.
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I'm not sure eventual notoriety erases past fame. I know him mainly as a populariser.
 
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PhDeezNutz said:
I would love to see this thread if you have a link.
I did a quick search, but failed to find it.

OTOH, maybe people should be allowed to let their past peccadilos fade into the mists of time, even if they are media sl##\vee##ts. :oldsmile:
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
The OP should clarify.
Seems pretty clear to me:
dsaun777 said:
Have any famous or well known scientists [...]
 
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strangerep said:
sl##\vee##ts. :oldsmile:
I think this is the best way to describe such people. I'll refrain from going on a full blown tirade.
 
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PhDeezNutz said:
I think this is the best way to describe such people. I'll refrain from going on a full blown tirade.
I once heard Kaku hold forth on quantum computing. I thought, "dang, I don't know much but it's more than this guy's got." His grooming is however far superior to mine, so I guess he deserves his fame.
 
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Appearances can be deceiving, Mr Bean has a master's degree in electrical engineering.
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I've just remembered, there's this BBC children's programme called Blue Peter which featured the "science sisters" for a while. I was actually doing my PhD with one of the science sisters at the time! It was so surreal to see her on TV. Blue Peter encouraged you to write in with questions. I remember writing a letter in my best crayon handwriting - some question to do with renormalisation of the non-linear sigma model. It didn't get featured on the programme.

The science sisters ended up breaking up - possibly after one of the sisters marrying one the resident experts on the programme. I cant remember the details.
 
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MidgetDwarf said:
Who is the blonde!. Need to know for research purposes.

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  • #41
jack action said:
Seems pretty clear to me:
Is Lev Okun famous?
Is Jack Steinberger?
Is Rush Holt?
Is Rick Field?

Will everybody agree?
 
  • #42
What about all the people who joined to share their pet theories, were banned and their discoveries were later vindicated and they became known as the next Einstein?
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Is Lev Okun famous?
Is Jack Steinberger?
Is Rush Holt?
Is Rick Field?

Will everybody agree?
The point is that you asked if "famous" and "celebrity" are supposed to be synonymous in this context. The OP clearly says "famous OR well-known" and "well-known" is clearly a synonym for "celebrity".

But to answer your question:

Lev Okun -> Famous? Probably among his peers; Well-known? I would say no.
Jack Steinberger -> Famous and well-known? I think having a Nobel Prize puts you in both categories.
Rush Holt (Jr.) -> Famous? I don't know; Well-known? Being a politician at the federal level for 16 years puts you in that category.
Rick Field -> Famous and well-known? I would say no. But his sister is, although not a physicist.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
68 cites isn't "didnt pan out". It's "the community found it uninteresting". One can always fit the SM into a big enough group. The trick is to find a group that makes the theory restrictive enough to make predictions,. To pick another theory that "didn't pan out", Pati-Salam had 3000 or so cites. The difference is that the physics community found that paper interesting. (It taught the world how to create GUTs)

There are a half dozen or dozen people on PF with a stronger publishing record. Do they nolt count because they aren't "surfer dudes"? The OP should clarify. (But he seems to have wandered away)
Sorry, I am back now. Thanks for all the responses I was unaware of the scientists that have visited here. Very cool!! And I am interested in those who are well known to the general public as well as any scientist that has a big reputation among their peers. I am impressed that Brian Cox and Sean Carroll paid a visit here even if they were just flogging a book. I just would like to see people of all walks of the physics/science community, either BBC-special famous or highly published scientist, be apart of this forum. It would make it a cooler place for aspiring young scientists to hang out if there was some well known names that they ask questions to. Not that any of you who already do so aren't cool.
 
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dsaun777 said:
[...] It would make [PF] a cooler place for aspiring young scientists to hang out if there was some well known names that they ask questions to.
That's probably why they don't stick around. :oldfrown:
 
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berkeman said:
Fascinating biography!
There's more.

His Nobel prize medal is in the trophy case of New Trier High School, in suburban Chicago. He traded it for a sweatshirt (which he wore constantly, weather permitting)
 
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Wow.
 
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strangerep said:
even if they are media sl##\vee##ts. :oldsmile:
I've read that Kaku makes around $25,000 for a typical TV appearance.
 
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dsaun777 said:
I just would like to see people of all walks of the physics/science community, ...... be apart of this forum.
strangerep said:
That's probably why they don't stick around. :oldfrown:
Interesting typo, @dsaun777 got his wish. ('spaces' do count!) :oldwink:
 
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  • #51
my assumption that people who popularize physics, do not frequent these forums largely due that the population may learn that their favorite tv personality, book writer, etc really does not know physics that well. which would lead to loss of sales and markability.
 
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  • #52
It is also worth keeping in mind that scientists that are frequently on TV (and therefore famous) are typically doing this as part of their job, it is not something they are necessarily doing in addition to a regular career in science. I suspect it is quite hard to run a regular research group if you have to spend in some cases several months per year shooting a TV show.

Producers of a TV show are not going to pick the "best" scientist in a field to present a show aimed at a general audience; they will primarily want someone who is a good communicator. This in turn means that the "skillset" needed to be successful can be quite different. Communicating science well is not easy, and doing so efficiently often means turning it into more or less a full time job.

Also, some of the more famous UK TV scientists have at various times been appointed to special chairs where their main job was specifically to ommunicate science to the public; these positions are often called "professor in public understanding" or similar.
See e.g.
https://royalsociety.org/grants-schemes-awards/grants/professorship-public-engagement/


Some of these are quite prestigious, e.g., the current Oxford Simonyi professor (first held by Dawkins) is now Marcus du Sautoy.
 
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Temporarily locked.
 
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fluidistic said:
Garrett Lisi used to hang in here.
I once mailed him a comment about one of his E8 lectures. In it, he was at a loss for describing E8 in a simple manner for laypeople. I suggested the Eight Ball toy as an example and he responded saying he liked the analogy.
 
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jim mcnamara said:
Temporarily locked.
An off-topic cat fight has been deleted from the thread. Any further cat fights will result in temp bans for the kittens.

Thread is reopened. Have a nice day. :wink:
 
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berkeman said:
An off-topic cat fight has been deleted from the thread. Any further cat fights will result in temp bans for the kittens.

Thread is reopened. Have a nice day. :wink:
I missed the cat fight. Did it involve any famous scientists/physicists?
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
I've read that Kaku makes around $25,000 for a typical TV appearance.
He must be a millionaire.
 
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dsaun777 said:
I missed the cat fight. Did it involve any famous scientists/physicists?
I was going to do cat puns on famous physicists, but the only one I can think of is Sir Isaac Mewton.
 
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Ibix said:
I was going to do cat puns on famous physicists, but the only one I can think of is Sir Isaac Mewton.
Schrodinger's cat fight.
 
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dsaun777 said:
He must be a millionaire.
He is.

Note that Kaku co-authored the foundational paper on string field theory. So he's no slouch.

I see people like him, Sagan, and other people who bring the wonders of science to the public, as critical to the foundations of science. They not only bring attention to the subject, which helps to drive funding for research, they also help to inspire the next generation of scientists! You need people like this to engage the public and to fire the imaginations of young people.

If they screw up or overstep their boundaries from time to time, oh well. Star Trek was pure fantasy yet it inspired countless dreamers to become real scientists and engineers. Heck, the guy who designed the first deep-space ion propulsion system got the idea from Star Trek! So I say, let the dreamers dream. It is a part of the process of forging new frontiers.
 
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