Having Trouble: Solving a Trigonometric Equation using Identities ?

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The discussion revolves around solving a trigonometric equation involving identities, specifically the equation 3 cos θ + 3 = 2 sin² θ, within the interval 0 <= θ < 2π. Participants express difficulty in determining the initial steps for solving the equation using trigonometric identities.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of the identity sin²θ + cos²θ = 1 to convert the sin²θ term, leading to a quadratic form in cosθ. There are questions about the necessity of using a calculator and the steps involved in factoring the resulting equation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on using trigonometric identities to simplify the equation, while others express uncertainty about the initial steps and the rationale behind converting the sin²θ term. The conversation reflects a mix of attempts to clarify the process and explore different approaches without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants note confusion regarding the first steps in solving the equation and the relevance of using a calculator, indicating a need for further clarification on the problem setup and assumptions about the methods to be used.

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Having Trouble: Solving a Trigonometric Equation using Identities ?

Homework Statement



I am having problems with these. Need some help please!

Here is a sample question I am having troubles with:

3 cos θ + 3 = 2 sin^2 θ, 0 <= θ < 2pi

I am really struggling with these. Any help would be great. What is my first step for solving a Trigonometric Equation using Identities ?


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



My teacher said you can solve this with a ti89 - But how would that be even possible? Just curious.

Thanks
 
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nukeman said:

Homework Statement



I am having problems with these. Need some help please!

Here is a sample question I am having troubles with:

3 cos θ + 3 = 2 sin^2 θ, 0 <= θ < 2pi

I am really struggling with these. Any help would be great. What is my first step for solving a Trigonometric Equation using Identities ?


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



My teacher said you can solve this with a ti89 - But how would that be even possible? Just curious.

Thanks

I wouldn't even bother with a calculator, at least at first. Use the identity sin2x + cos2x = 1 to convert the sin2θ term, and then you will have an equation that is quadratic in form, in cosθ. Use the quadratic formula to solve for cosθ, and then you can use your calculator to find θ.
 


Mark44 said:
I wouldn't even bother with a calculator, at least at first. Use the identity sin2x + cos2x = 1 to convert the sin2θ term, and then you will have an equation that is quadratic in form, in cosθ. Use the quadratic formula to solve for cosθ, and then you can use your calculator to find θ.

Yea, I can figure out how to find θ with a calculator no problem, but getting there is where I have problems.

"Use the identity sin2x + cos2x = 1 to convert the sin2θ term, and then you will have an equation that is quadratic in form, in cosθ. Use the quadratic formula to solve for cosθ"

This is where I run into problems...
 


Which part are you having trouble with?
 


Mark44 said:
Which part are you having trouble with?
My earlier advice was more general that it needed to be. You don't need to use the quadratic formula to solve the resulting equation. It can be factored pretty easily.
 


2 issues. Before I get to the 2 issues, whenever I have this type of question, what is the first thing I look to do?

Having issues with the first step, converting the sin term... And why am I trying to convert the sin term?

After that, would I factor it?

Thanks, appreciate it!
 


nukeman said:
2 issues. Before I get to the 2 issues, whenever I have this type of question, what is the first thing I look to do?
That's hard to say, and a "one size fits all" strategy probably isn't useful. It depends on the problem.
nukeman said:
Having issues with the first step, converting the sin term... And why am I trying to convert the sin term?

After that, would I factor it?

Thanks, appreciate it!
There's no sin term. There is a sin2θ term, though, and you can use the identity I gave earlier to convert to cos2θ. That way, you will have an equation that involves cosθ and cos2θ that will be quadratic in form. Once you get to that point, the equation can be factored.
 


So, afters its factored, I can then use my calculator to solve for Theta?
 


Yeah, but you shouldn't need to.
 
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I shouldn't need a calc?
 
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nukeman said:
So, afters its factored, I can then use my calculator to solve for Theta?
Mark44 said:
Yeah, but you shouldn't need to.
nukeman said:
I shouldn't need a calc?
Do you understand what "shouldn't need to" means?
 
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Thanks
 

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