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The discussion revolves around identifying the most general form of the metric for a homogeneous, isotropic, and static space-time. Participants explore theoretical implications, mathematical formulations, and conditions necessary for such a metric, including considerations of curvature and cosmological constants.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the Robertson-Walker metric is a starting point for homogeneous and isotropic metrics, proposing a form that includes a time-dependent scale factor.
  • Another participant questions whether the static condition implies that the metric must be time-independent and invariant under time reversal.
  • There is a suggestion that all spatial metric coefficients might need to be equal, although this is not universally agreed upon.
  • Some participants propose imposing the condition of constant curvature as a potential requirement for the metric, with one expressing uncertainty about whether this condition is sufficient.
  • It is noted that a homogeneous, isotropic, static metric may only be a solution of the Einstein Field Equations with a nonzero cosmological constant, referencing the Einstein static universe.
  • One participant cites the evolution equation from standard FLRW models, indicating that a homogeneous isotropic universe cannot be static under certain conditions of mass density and pressure.
  • Another participant mentions that static solutions exist under specific conditions involving the cosmological constant and curvature, referencing a problem from Wald's text.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of homogeneity and isotropy for static metrics, particularly regarding the necessity of a cosmological constant and the conditions under which static solutions can exist. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to assumptions about curvature and the dependence on the cosmological constant, as well as unresolved mathematical steps regarding the conditions for static solutions.

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What is the most general form of the metric for a homogeneous, isotropic and static space-time?

For the first 2 criteria, the Robertson-Walker metric springs to mind. (I shall adopt the (-+++) signature)
ds^2=dt^2+a^2(t)g_{ij}(\vec x)dx^idx^j

Now the static condition. If I'm not mistaken, it means that the metric must be time-independent and invariant under time reversal t\to -t. So does that mean that the most general metric that satisfies all these 3 criteria is ds^2=dt^2+g_{ij}(\vec x)dx^idx^j for some spatial metric g_{ij}(\vec x)?

Thank you.
 
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MarkovMarakov said:
What is the most general form of the metric for a homogeneous, isotropic and static space-time?

For the first 2 criteria, the Robertson-Walker metric springs to mind. (I shall adopt the (-+++) signature)
ds^2=dt^2+a^2(t)g_{ij}(\vec x)dx^idx^j

Now the static condition. If I'm not mistaken, it means that the metric must be time-independent and invariant under time reversal t\to -t. So does that mean that the most general metric that satisfies all these 3 criteria is ds^2=dt^2+g_{ij}(\vec x)dx^idx^j for some spatial metric g_{ij}(\vec x)?

Thank you.
Surely all the spatial metric coefficients must be equal ?
 
Perhaps I should impose the condition of constant curvature...? Is that enough?
 
MarkovMarakov said:
Perhaps I should impose the condition of constant curvature...? Is that enough?
Probably. If the definition of homogeneity requires the same curvature everywhere. I'm sure someone will give you a better answer soon. I don't have my books at hand so I can't look it up.
 
Mentz114 said:
If the definition of homogeneity requires the same curvature everywhere.

I believe this is correct. However, I also believe that a homogeneous, isotropic, static metric can only be a solution of the Einstein Field Equation with a nonzero cosmological constant (e.g., the Einstein static universe). With a zero cosmological constant, a homogeneous, isotropic metric can't be static; it must be either expanding or contracting.

(Einstein introduced the cosmological constant in order to allow a static solution for the universe, but later, when the expansion of the universe was discovered, he called this "the greatest blunder of my life" because he missed the opportunity to predict an expanding universe before it was discovered.)
 
As Peter notes, a homogenous isotropic universe coming from the standard FLRW models cannot be static because the evolution equation ##3\frac{\ddot{a}}{a}= -4\pi(\rho + 3P)## tells us that for positive average mass density ##\rho > 0## and non-negative pressure ##P\geq 0##, ##\ddot{a} < 0##.

If we add a cosmological constant ##\Lambda## then according to problem 5.3 of Wald, static solutions exist iff ##k = +1## and ##\Lambda > 0##. I haven't done the problem yet myself but you might find it instructive (there is also a second part investigating the instability of such universes which is where the real interest of the problem lies!).

EDIT: Just to add, for the ##P = 0## (dust) case, we can drop the isotropy and homogeneity and be more general with regards to the impossibility of a static solution. See here if you are interested: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=683601
 
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Thank you, everybody!
 

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