Heat conduction through plane wall

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around heat conduction through a plane wall, specifically addressing the behavior of heat flow rates during transient and steady-state processes. Participants explore the implications of energy accumulation in the wall and reference relevant literature on the topic.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that heat flow rates should be constant in a plane wall, questioning if this holds true during transient, non-steady state processes.
  • Another participant agrees with the first, emphasizing that energy content changes during transient states due to a non-zero accumulation term in the energy balance equation.
  • A later reply suggests checking a specific textbook for examples related to temperature distributions in transient conditions, indicating a resource for further exploration.
  • One participant mentions their experience with different textbooks, noting that they have not used the suggested book but recognize its significance in the field.
  • Another participant highlights the value of the suggested textbook, sharing their long-term use of it throughout their career.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing experiences with textbooks and resources, but there is no consensus on the implications of transient heat conduction or the specifics of energy accumulation in the wall.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the conditions under which heat flow rates are considered constant and the implications of internal heat generation, which remain unresolved.

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When you have energy going through a plane wall, I know that the heat flow rate should be constant, meaning what comes in should go out. But is this true even if it is transient, and a non-steady state process?

I think the energy content of the plane will not change for steady state, but for transient it will change, because there is an accumulation of energy term in the balance that is non-zero.

##\frac {dE}{dt} = \dot Q_{x} - \dot Q_{x+\Delta x} + \dot e_{gen}A \Delta x##

Maybe I should clarify. If the internal heat generation were zero, but ##\frac {dE}{dt}## was non-zero, would the energy content of the plane wall change?
 
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Maylis said:
When you have energy going through a plane wall, I know that the heat flow rate should be constant, meaning what comes in should go out. But is this true even if it is transient, and a non-steady state process?

I think the energy content of the plane will not change for steady state, but for transient it will change, because there is an accumulation of energy term in the balance that is non-zero.

##\frac {dE}{dt} = \dot Q_{x} - \dot Q_{x+\Delta x} + \dot e_{gen}A \Delta x##

Maybe I should clarify. If the internal heat generation were zero, but ##\frac {dE}{dt}## was non-zero, would the energy content of the plane wall change?
Yes, you are certainly correct. Have you used Bird, Stewart, and Lightfoot's book Transport Phenomena in any of your courses. If so, check out Chapter 12, Temperature Distributions with More than One Independent Variable. Examples 12.1 and 12.2.

Chet
 
No it was never the main textbook for any of my transport courses, my first one used Welty Rorrer And wicks and my second one uses cengel.

I know it's a classic chemical engineering book and I'll buy it when I see it on amazon at a price that's not too high.
 
Maylis said:
No it was never the main textbook for any of my transport courses, my first one used Welty Rorrer And wicks and my second one uses cengel.

I know it's a classic chemical engineering book and I'll buy it when I see it on amazon at a price that's not too high.
It is a wonderful book that had a new edition out about 12 years ago with lots of new developments and content. During my 35 year chemical engineering career, I used this book more than all the other references put together.
 

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