Heat Diffusion in 3D: Almost Spherical Flow

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the diffusion of heat in three dimensions, specifically in scenarios characterized by "almost spherical" flow with azimuthal symmetry. Participants explore the mathematical formulation of the heat equation and the implications of boundary conditions on the analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the heat diffusion equation in spherical coordinates and seeks a functional form for temperature T under the assumption of azimuthal symmetry and small derivatives in theta.
  • Another participant questions the dependence of the analysis on boundary conditions and asks for clarification on the specific conditions being considered.
  • A participant suggests that multiple scale analysis may be appropriate for the problem and mentions Neumann boundary conditions that can be expanded via perturbation on the sphere.
  • There is a request for the exact boundary condition to be specified, indicating a need for clarity in the discussion.
  • One participant reiterates that the problem is a test case to evaluate the sensibility of their approach, proposing a boundary condition related to heat flux.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the variable x, which is identified as a point on the boundary.
  • There is a discussion about whether the heat flux at the surface of the sphere is a function of φ, with one participant asserting the consideration of azimuthal symmetry.
  • One participant maintains that the method of multiple scales is suitable for the problem, reinforcing their earlier point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the boundary conditions or the implications of azimuthal symmetry, indicating that multiple competing views remain regarding the approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the potential limitations related to the assumptions made about boundary conditions and the specific functional forms of T that may be applicable in this context.

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Suppose I am considering the diffusion of heat in three dimensions:
\frac{\partial T}{\partial t}=\frac{1}{r^{2}}\frac{\partial}{\partial r}\left(r^{2}\frac{\partial T}{\partial r}\right)+\frac{1}{r^{2}\sin\theta}\frac{\partial}{\partial\theta}\left(\sin\theta\frac{\partial T}{\partial\theta}\right)+\frac{1}{r^{2}\sin^{2}\theta}\frac{\partial^{2}T}{\partial\varphi^{2}}
and I am interesting in the case where the diffusion is ``almost spherical'', with azimuthal symmetry that is all derivatives of \varphi vanish and the derivatives in \theta are small. I'm pretty sure that I can't simply scale everything out but is there a functional form of T which I can assume which will do the job?
 
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Don't you think that all this depends on the boundary conditions? What boundary conditions did you have in mind?
 
Having thought about this, I think that this is a job for multiple scale analysis.

The boundary conditions are Neumann conditions and so can be expanded via perturbation to be on the sphere.
 
Please write out the exact boundary comditiom you wish to use.
 
This is only a test problem to see if my idea comes across as sensible. Take for example \hat{\mathbf{n}}\cdot\nabla T=g(x) let's say.
 
hunt_mat said:
This is only a test problem to see if my idea comes across as sensible. Take for example \hat{\mathbf{n}}\cdot\nabla T=g(x) let's say.
What's x?
 
x is a point on the boundary.
 
hunt_mat said:
x is a point on the boundary.
So the heat flux at the surface of the sphere is a function of ##\phi##?
 
No, I am considering azimuthal symmetry.

As I said before, I think the method of multiple scales works fine for this problem.
 

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