Heat energy to Electric energy?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conversion of heat energy into electric energy, exploring various methods and theories related to this process. Participants discuss both large-scale applications, such as power plants, and smaller-scale experimental setups.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested, Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose using heat to generate steam that drives turbines connected to electric generators, as done in power plants.
  • Others mention the use of Peltier devices in reverse to convert heat directly into electricity.
  • A participant inquires about smaller-scale alternatives to turbines for personal experimentation.
  • One participant suggests using a Stirling engine connected to a generator as a feasible option for small-scale conversion.
  • Another mentions the use of thermocouples, which generate a voltage differential when exposed to heat, as a practical example found in gas hot water heaters.
  • Some participants discuss the use of photoelectric cells for converting heat energy to electric energy.
  • There is mention of satellites using radioactive materials to heat thermocouples for long-lasting electrical energy supply.
  • Concerns are raised about the safety of nuclear-powered satellites and the implications of their potential failure during launch.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of methods for converting heat to electric energy, with no consensus on a single approach. Multiple competing views and techniques are presented, indicating an unresolved discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some methods discussed depend on specific conditions, such as the availability of cooling sources for Stirling engines or the type of materials used in thermocouples. The efficiency and practicality of each method remain subjects of exploration.

ranger
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Is it possbile to covert heat energy (like that from the surface of a hot radiator) to electric energy? Whats the theory behind this?

--thank you.
 
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Of course. You can use heat to turn water into steam, and then use that steam to drive turbines which are connected to electric generators. This is what power plants do -- the fundamental energy released from fuel, be it coal or gas or nuclear, is heat.

Or, you can use a Peltier device in reverse.

There are many such possibilities.

- Warren
 
Turbines are a little far off for me. I was hoping to build a circuit to do this.
Can this only be accomplished with rotational motion(turbines)?

There are many such possibilities.

Are there any smaller scale things that I can possibly experiment with?
 
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If you have a source of cooling, and some time to build a relatively simple device you may be able to use a small sterling engine hooked up to a simple generator. Haven't built either, but I know you can get the instructions to the sterling, and I would assume the generator, on the internet
 
You can also build a photoelectric cell to convert heat energy to electric energy.
 
back to basics...

ranger said:
Is it possbile to covert heat energy (like that from the surface of a hot radiator) to electric energy? Whats the theory behind this?
--thank you.

how about a non-Ph.D level answer?

if you have a gas hot water heater in your home and it's an "older" model that uses a pilot light, you've got an element inside it that converts heat to electricity, and you can buy one down at the neighborhood hardware store.

it's called a "thermocouple."

made of two dissimilar metals, when the metals' junction is exposed to heat, a voltage differential develops. in your hot water heater, the resulting current is brought to a small solenoid which holds the gas valve to the burner under the water tank in an "open" position.

if the pilot light goes out, as in a failure of the gas supply or a water leak extinguishes the flame, the thermocouple goes cold, stops producing the EMF differential, and the solenoid "drops out", cutting the flow of gas. this safety device has been in use for MANY decades, and a stop at your local Home Depot or ACE hardware store should be a quick place to buy one in the water heater repair parts department.

measure its output versus temperature. if you can afford to buy multiples of 'em, try them in series and parallel. determine their Norton and Thevenin (sp?) equivalent circuits. see if they can deliver enough power to run a tiny motor or light an LED.

have a hot time!
+af
 
true!

X-43D said:
Usually the electro-mechanical approach is used to generate electricity.
http://www.state.hi.us/dbedt/ert/electgen.html

Stirling Engines, steam engines, tied to a generator. yep, they all convert heat energy to electrical energy.

guess i got caught in the "direct conversion" trap...

:cry:

+af
 
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Some sattelites use radioactive material to heat up thermalcouples for a long lasting electrical energy supply.
 
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absolutely right!

Jeff Reid said:
Some sattelites use radioactive material to heat up thermalcouples for a long lasting electrical energy supply.

:smile:
especially the deep-space ones, where solar cells and gasoline engines won't work...
:biggrin:
 
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People are worried what would happened if a nuclear powered sattelite crashed during launch. Do a web search for "satellite plutonium power" and you find a lot of hits, like this one:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/space/3581575.html

Note that the plutonium is encased into little buttons, which keep the actual plutonium centers spaced so that the actual heat generated falls into a pre-determined range. The cases are ceramic and some hard metal that is supposed to prevent leakage into the atmoshpere in case of a bad launch.

Even the Apollo missions used these mini nuclear reactors on the lunar module. Alll but one of these never came back. Apollo 13's lunar module's nuclear reactor is sitting at the bottom of the ocean somewhere.

Anyway, it may not be efficient, but thermalcouples inserted into a "bottle" of plutonium buttons makes for a very long lasting and reliable power supply.
 
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