Heat equation, periodic heating of a surface

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The discussion revolves around the heat equation and the temperature variation at a surface described by a Fourier series. Participants are exploring the relationship between surface temperature and temperature at a certain depth below the surface, as well as the implications of Fourier coefficients in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of Fourier coefficients and the implications of assuming certain values for these coefficients. There is an exploration of how to express the temperature at depth based on the surface temperature representation.

Discussion Status

Some participants suggest using a superposition of solutions to determine coefficients, while others express confusion about the calculations and the role of certain parameters. There is an ongoing exploration of how to derive the temperature at depth from the surface temperature using the Fourier series approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that certain constants were provided in the problem statement, but there is debate about their relevance and how they should be applied in the calculations. The discussion includes questions about the assumptions made regarding the coefficients and their values.

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Homework Statement


The temperature variation at the surface is described by a Fourier
series
[tex]\theta(t)=\sum^\infty_{n=-\infty}\theta_n e^{2\pi i n t /T}[/tex]
find an expression for the complex Fourier
series of the temperature at depth [itex]d[/itex] below the surface

Homework Equations


Solution of the diffusion equation
[tex]\theta(x,t)=\cos\left(\phi+\omega t-\sqrt{\dfrac{\omega}{2D}}x\right)\exp\left(-\sqrt{\dfrac{\omega}{2D}}x\right)[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


A the surface [itex]x=0[/itex] so
[tex]\theta(0,t)=\cos\left(\omega t + \phi\right)[/tex]

To find the coefficients [itex]\theta_n[/itex] I'm guessing I use the Fourier formula

[tex]\theta_n=\frac{1}{T}\int_0^T dt \, \theta(0,t) \exp\left( -2\pi i n t/T \right)[/tex]
 
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I don't think you can calculate the ##\theta_n##. They are some given (but unknown) constants, and you have to modify your solution to fit this constraint.

You can start with an easy case: imagine ##\theta_1=1## and ##\theta_n=0## for all other n. That makes the temperature at x=0 a sine. Can you find the temperature at depth d?
What happens with ##\theta_2=3## and ##\theta_n=0## for all other n? What happens in the general case?
 
Typo, [itex]\theta(x,t)[/itex] should be
[itex]\theta(x,t)=A\cos\left(\phi+\omega t-\sqrt{\dfrac{\omega}{2D}}x\right)\exp\left(-\sqrt{\dfrac{\omega}{2D}}x\right)[/itex] (c)
Advice from my tutor was
'The temperature is a superposition of solutions found in (c).
On the surface x=0...use this to determine the coefficients in the above and complete.'
Assuming I have got (c) correct!
James
 
Appologies, [itex]A=7.5^{\circ}[/itex]C, [itex]\omega=\frac{\pi}{43200} s^{-1}[/itex], [itex]\phi=\frac{4}{3}[/itex] and [itex]D=5\times10^{-7} m^2/s[/itex]
 
Where do those numbers come from? You cannot fix them like that for the problem.

A superposition of those solutions is the right approach.
 
These were given earlier in the question and you are right have no baring on this.

So to get the coefficients I should set x=0 and use the Fourier formula to find them?
 
I have done some calculations but getting trivial answers.
I am taking
[tex]\theta(0,t)=\cos\left(2\pi n \ t/T + \phi\right)[/tex]
and converting it to its complex exponential form and inserting into
[tex]\theta_n=\frac{1}{T}\int_0^T dt \, \theta(0,t) \exp\left( -2\pi i n t/T \right)[/tex]
Should phi be included?
 
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You probably want to use the solution of the diffusion equation in the form [tex]Ce^{i\omega t}\exp\left(-\sqrt{\frac{\omega}{2D}}x - i\sqrt{\frac{\omega}{2D}}x \right)[/tex] with [itex]x[/itex] measuring distance below the surface.
 
  • #10
You'll need phi if θn can be complex.

I still don't see what "inserting into [long equation]" is supposed to mean, but I agree that you don't need long calculations.
 
  • #11
By inserting into, I mean to work out the coefficients.
I'm a bit lost at the moment.
 
  • #12
bobred said:
By inserting into, I mean to work out the coefficients.
I'm a bit lost at the moment.

You should treat the coefficients [itex]\theta_n[/itex] as known. You are asked for "an expression for the complex Fourier
series of the temperature at depth d below the surface" so you are looking for an expression of the form [tex] \theta(d,t) = \sum_{n=-\infty}^\infty e^{2n\pi it/T}f_n(d)[/tex] where [itex]e^{2n\pi it/T}f_n(x)[/itex] is a solution of the diffusion equation with [itex]f_n(0) = \theta_n[/itex].
 
  • #13
So would
[tex]f_n(0)=\cos\left( 2\pi n t /T + \phi \right)[/tex]
 

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