Heat Transfer in glass pane windows

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The discussion revolves around heat transfer mechanisms in a glass pane window with air trapped between two walls. Participants explore the roles of conduction, convection, and radiation in this context, considering the implications of temperature uniformity and the physical setup of the system.

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  • One participant questions how heat transfer occurs when the wall temperatures are homogeneous and whether convection can take place under these conditions.
  • Another participant describes the heat conduction process using Fourier's law and suggests modeling convection heat transfer as a boundary condition, specifically at the interface with outside air.
  • A later reply clarifies that convection is possible if the air can move between the walls, but emphasizes that conduction remains the primary mode of heat transfer in the x direction.
  • Participants discuss the potential for free convection to occur in the air space, noting that while it may not significantly affect the heat transfer model in the x direction, it can influence the temperature and velocity profiles of the air.
  • Concerns are raised about the setup of convection when the temperatures at the top and bottom of the walls are the same, leading to questions about density differences and the initiation of convection currents.
  • One participant asserts that density differences due to temperature gradients can still lead to convection currents, even if the walls are at uniform temperatures.

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Participants express differing views on the significance of convection versus conduction in the heat transfer model, and there is no consensus on the impact of temperature uniformity on convection setup.

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Participants reference specific sections of literature for further modeling insights, indicating that the discussion may depend on interpretations of heat transfer principles and assumptions about air movement.

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If the temperature of the wall is homogeneous i.e. the entire wall has the same temperature: T1 being the temperature of the left wall and T2 being the temp of the right wall, how will heat transfer take place? Can convection occur here? If yes then how will the bulk motion be set up?

I am attaching a picture of a glass pane window for clarification.
 

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Assuming the left wall is the inner side (x = 0) and the right wall is the one in contact with the outside (x = 10 mm), heat conduction will occur from left to right, you can model this with Fourier's law. Then, you can model convection heat transfer from the glass to the outside air as a boundary condition for heat flux:
q'' |_{x=10mm} = \left. -k \frac{dT}{dx} \right|_{x=10mm} = h(T_2 - T_{\infty})
Where h is the heat transfer coefficient for your system and T is the temperature of the ambient air outside.
 
MexChemE said:
Assuming the left wall is the inner side (x = 0) and the right wall is the one in contact with the outside (x = 10 mm), heat conduction will occur from left to right, you can model this with Fourier's law. Then, you can model convection heat transfer from the glass to the outside air as a boundary condition for heat flux:
q'' |_{x=10mm} = \left. -k \frac{dT}{dx} \right|_{x=10mm} = h(T_2 - T_{\infty})
Where h is the heat transfer coefficient for your system and T is the temperature of the ambient air outside.

thank you for your reply. I might not have fully defined the problem, it is air in between the two walls. The question therefore is, is convection possible or is conduction the only means of heat transfer through the air in between the two walls
 
Gohar Shoukat said:
The question therefore is, is convection possible or is conduction the only means of heat transfer through the air in between the two walls

Radiation is one means of heat transfer between the walls. If there is air in the middle and the air can move, then convection can happen, yes. If there is a solid connection between the walls, or if the gas in the middle can't move, heat can flow through the solid or gas too; that would be conduction.

Does it make a difference to you if the mechanism is radiant, convection, or conduction?
 
Gohar Shoukat said:
thank you for your reply. I might not have fully defined the problem, it is air in between the two walls. The question therefore is, is convection possible or is conduction the only means of heat transfer through the air in between the two walls
Of course, free convection of air will happen in the space between the two walls, but it won't have an effect on the heat transfer model, at least not in the x direction. It will still be just conduction. That is, at least at the level of BSL. You can, however, model the movement of air inside the middle space due to free convection, the temperature profile will have an effect on the velocity profile of air. You will find what you're looking for in section 10.9 of the second edition of Transport Phenomena by BSL.
 
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MexChemE said:
at least not in the x direction

How will convection be setup when the walls have the same temperature at the top and the bottom? the air next to the right wall will have the same temperature at the top and the bottom, hence , density difference is virtually non-existent. or am i missing something?
 
Gohar Shoukat said:
How will convection be setup when the walls have the same temperature at the top and the bottom? the air next to the right wall will have the same temperature at the top and the bottom, hence , density difference is virtually non-existent. or am i missing something?
As you move away from the hotter wall, density increases. This density difference will make the air start moving, and a laminar convection current will form inside the space. Both the physics and the modelling of the problem are discussed in more detail in the book I mentioned.

Sorry for the late reply. It has been a tough semester.
 
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