Heat Transfer Problem: Calculate Rate of Heat Transfer

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the rate of heat transfer in a delivery dock with open garage doors, focusing on the challenges of applying natural convection principles and the impact of external conditions like wind. Participants explore various methods and considerations related to heat transfer, including convection, conduction, and radiation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using natural convection to calculate heat transfer but notes a lack of data on mass airflow between the inside and outside temperatures.
  • Another participant mentions the three modes of heat transfer: convection, conduction, and radiation, and agrees that convection is likely the predominant factor in this scenario.
  • Concerns are raised about the variability of wind making the problem practically unsolvable.
  • Participants discuss the importance of knowing the total volume of the bay, the size of the openings, and the presence of heating vents that could affect airflow.
  • One participant proposes using heating tape or better insulation as a practical solution to prevent freezing of water pipes.
  • Suggestions are made to consider using an air curtain as a common solution for managing heat transfer in such situations.
  • Another participant mentions using software like Fluent for temperature distribution analysis, while also noting that simpler heat transfer calculations might suffice.
  • It is suggested to assume constant airflow and to obtain average wind speed and direction data for more accurate calculations.
  • Energy balance programs like EnergyPlus are mentioned as potentially useful tools, though they require assumptions about environmental conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the feasibility of calculating heat transfer in this context, with some acknowledging the complexity and variability involved. There is no consensus on a single approach or solution, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to determine the rate of heat transfer.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on assumptions about airflow, environmental conditions, and the variability of external factors like wind, which complicate the calculations.

Lowis
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Hi,

I have to determined the rate of heat transfer in a delivery dock when the big garage doors are open. I have tried a natural convection approach, but I lack the mass air flow from the inside of the garage (22°C) to the outside (-10°C). Or is there another way to calculate this?

Thanks for your concern,
 
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Yes. If I recall my thermodynamics correctly, there are three ways to calculate heat transfer: convection, conduction and radiation.
However, depending on the size of the garage and the size of the doors, my guess is that you are correct in assuming that convection would be the predominate factor.
Did your convection calculations assume lamina flow?
 
In practice, this is an unsolvable problem due to the variability of wind.
 
russ_watters said:
In practice, this is an unsolvable problem due to the variability of wind.

Russ is correct however almost everything in engineering is unsolvable because of variability in whatever.

I assume you are going for a ballpark estimate. You need to know the total size of your bay in M^3 then the size of the opening. Also important is if there are any heating vents that are blowing into the garage causing a slight overpressure. Do the garage doors open rolling up or do they tilt?
 
jaap de vries said:
I assume you are going for a ballpark estimate. You need to know the total size of your bay in M^3 then the size of the opening. Also important is if there are any heating vents that are blowing into the garage causing a slight overpressure. Do the garage doors open rolling up or do they tilt?

It is true that I only want an estimate. The total size of the bay is 1624 m^3 and there are 2 garage doors rolling up of 20 m^2 each. Yes there are 4 gaz unit heater in the bay and the whole thing is about those heater that are working too much to keep some water pipes from frozing. So, what would be your approach to determine the rate of heat transfer between the inside and the outside when one or 2 doors are open.
 
If that is your problem you might be able to simply use some heating tape/better pipe insulation to prevent this. Probably saves a lot of energy too.
 
Proper ANSYS element?

*Edit* please disregard
 
An air curtain is a fairly common solution to this sort of problem.
 
You can solve something like this using Fluent and find some temperature distributions around your space, but that is likely more elaborate than you need to be.

Another solution would be to assume one mode of H.T. dominates in all situations (i.e. convection) and do some simple HT calculations to find out what is going on.

Either way you need to assume some sort of constant airflow into your space. Average wind speed and direction you can find from the NOAA website for your given city or one close to yours.

There are also some simple energy balance type programs out there (e.g. EnergyPlus) that could prove useful in this type of problem, you would again need to assume some environmental conditions.

It all depends on how elaborate you want to take this.
 
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Thanks to all of you for helping me on that matter, I have solve my problem and there is no need for this forum anymore.
 
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Lowis said:
Thanks to all of you for helping me on that matter, I have solve my problem and there is no need for this forum anymore.
We'll keep the forum open just in case. :wink:
 

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