Heat treatable vs non heat treatable

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The discussion centers on the differences between heat treatable and non-heat treatable aluminum alloys, exploring the reasons behind these classifications and the implications for material properties and applications.

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  • One participant inquires about the reasons why some aluminum alloys are heat treatable while others are not, expressing confusion about the brittleness of non-heat treatable alloys.
  • Another participant explains that non-heat treatable alloys do not experience significant strength increases from heat treatment due to their composition, which lacks the ability for precipitation hardening.
  • This participant notes that non-heat treatable alloys can still gain strength through mechanisms such as solid solution formation and strain hardening.
  • The discussion includes specific references to the properties of high-purity aluminum and the yield strengths of heat-treated commercial alloys, highlighting the significant difference in strength between these categories.
  • There is mention of specific alloying elements and their contributions to the strength of aluminum alloys, particularly in relation to the 2xxx series of Al alloys.

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Participants generally agree on the definitions and characteristics of heat treatable versus non-heat treatable alloys, but the discussion does not resolve all uncertainties regarding the implications of these classifications.

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The discussion does not address specific limitations or assumptions regarding the definitions of alloy classifications or the conditions under which certain strengthening mechanisms apply.

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Been reading about aluminium alloys.

Could someone tell me why some alloys are heat treatable and others aren't. Or why certain alloys aren't heat teat treatable.

I'm assuming the non heat treatable alloy may become brittle? But yeh bit confused.

Thanks
 
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I apologize for not responding early, but I was on travel last week and had little time to respond.

Generally, the predominant reasons for alloying a metal are to increase strength, hardness, and resistance to wear, creep, stress relaxation and fatigue.

The low strength of pure Al limits is commercial usefulness, so it is alloyed. The tensile yield strength of high-purity Al is about 10 MPa (~1.5 ksi) while some heat-treated commercial high strength alloys have yield strengths greater than 550 MPa (80 ksi).

With respect to 'non-heat treatable' Al alloys, by definition, these are alloys that do not realize an appreciable increase in strength with heat treatment, and this is primarily because these alloys do not experience precipitation hardening. This is related to their composition.

The non-mechanical strengthening mechanisms which apply to non-heat treatable alloys include solid solution formation, second phase precipation and dispersoid precipation.

Otherwise, strain hardening can be used to increase strength in non-heat treatable.

By contrast, heat-treatable Al alloys are those alloys which do realize an appreciable increase in strength when the suitable heat treatment is applied.

There is a very good article on Aluminum and Aluminum alloys in the Metals Handbook published by ASM International.

According to the article, the elements Mg, Si, Zn, Cr or Mn alone contribute little to increased strength with thermal treatments. On the other hand, Al-Cu alloys with more than 3% Cu exhibit a natural aging after solution heat treatment and quenching. This Al-Cu system is the basis of the 2xxx series of Al alloys.
 
Cheers Astronuc! Very wise man :P. What type of engineering have you studied..
 
My degrees are in nuclear engineering, but because I deal with the performance of systems and structures, I have a background in materials and mechanics of materials. A lot of my work is nuclear fuel performance, and that is heavily dependent on the how the material was fabricated.

Also, back in graduate school, part of my research was in nuclear propulsion systems for spacecraft . In order to develop a satisfactory design, where materials were pushed to their limit, I took several courses in materials. Professionally, I am involved with ASTM, ASM International, and TMS technical societies.

I also did course work in electrical and aerospace engineering, and I was studying physics before nuclear engineering.
 

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