Heating Steel Nails with Electricity

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The discussion revolves around the heating of steel nails using electricity, specifically through an experiment involving a low voltage transformer and the effects of current on metal heating. Participants explore concepts related to electrical safety, current, voltage, and the mechanisms behind heating metal with electricity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes an experiment where a steel nail connected to an electrical circuit heats up and melts quickly, raising questions about the safety of handling the circuit.
  • Another participant explains that the box contains a low voltage transformer, which allows for high current at low voltage, making it safe to touch at voltages below 30 volts.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between voltage and current, noting that while current is dangerous, the voltage must be sufficient to overcome the body's resistance to cause harm.
  • One participant mentions that 48 volts is often considered the threshold between safe and unsafe levels of voltage, although they express uncertainty about its effects on the heart.
  • Participants discuss the differences between high voltage stun devices and the brief high currents experienced from static electricity, highlighting the importance of current duration in electrical safety.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the principles of electrical safety and the effects of current and voltage, but there are varying opinions on specific voltage thresholds and the nuances of how current affects the body. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact safety limits and the physiological effects of different voltage levels.

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Some assumptions about electrical safety and the effects of voltage on the human body are not fully explored, and there are references to specific voltage thresholds that may depend on individual circumstances and definitions.

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Hello everyone,

I think this is very simple. I have very little knowledge about electricity and would like to understand a bit more about a simple experiment I was recently shown:

Basically a steel nail was connected to an electrical circuit at both ends. The two electrical contacts to which it was connected were coming out of a wooden box (there must be a transformer or something like that inside right?). When the current started flowing, the nail got red hot really fast and then melted and broke. After that, a man touched both of the terminals and said he didn't feel a thing and it was safe to touch it even with the current flowing, yet it would melt a steel nail in ten seconds or so. If I understood correctly, the circuit was connected to a socket in the wall ( 220 V ).

I have spent several hours googling for information on metal heating using electricity, but couldn't find anything I would be interested in. Mostly stuff about induction heating etc. I understand that to heat metal you need low voltage and high current? but isn't current deadly?

I would appreciate any information. You don't have to try and explain everything carefully, just a rough explanation would be more than enough, I can use the internet and books to figure things out.

Thanks in advance :D.
 
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The box contained a low voltage transformer which could deliver a lot of current at a low voltage.

Because it delivered a low voltage, the man could not feel it. We cannot normally feel voltages that are less than 30 volts or so.

The nail had some small resistance and there was a large current flowing, so there was enough heat generated to heat the nail to red heat and eventually melt it.

The power generated in any resistance is given in watts and is:
(current in amps) times (current in amps) times the (resistance in ohms)
This applies to nails too.
 
There's a common expression that the voltage doesn't kill you, the current does. That can be pretty confusing and it gives many people wacked out ideas.

The bottom line line is that yes, there must be a certain level of current traveling through a vital area (usually the heart) to cause death. But, your body has electrical resistance. So, there is a minimum voltage required to generate the lethal current.

Generally, 48 volts is considered the dividing line between safe and unsafe becaus of the Safety Extra Low Voltage, or SELV directive.

Personally, I'm pretty sure that 48 volts is enough to sieze a heart if applied in some unusual fashion, but the likelihood of this happening are quite low.

As for stun machines, such as Tasers, they develop extremely high voltages. Then again, sometimes you experience fairly high voltages walking across new carpet.

With the carpet scenario, the current discharged through your body is very high, but very very short in duration. Thus, your nerves know that something attacked them, but it did so for such a very short duration that the effect was averaged out and had little overall effect.

Tasers and other stun weapons are designed to build up high voltages, but they don't substain that voltage as current begins to flow. So once again, you have a high peak current that drops down quickly.

The difference between the stun weapon and the carpet is that the stun weapon will attempt to maintain current flow after the initial discharge. Thus, the voltage doesn't drop to zero, but stays high enough to get the current delivered. The current is then cut off and the cycle repeated.
 
Thanks a lot! This explains everything I wanted to know and more :).
 

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