Heating up plastic before its melting point -- could it be bad?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the safety of heating plastic materials, specifically polybutene, in water heaters. Participants explore concerns regarding potential changes in molecular structure and the release of toxic substances when plastics are heated to temperatures below their melting points. The conversation includes both theoretical and practical considerations regarding material interactions and safety assessments.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern that heating plastic could alter its molecular structure and release toxic particles, questioning the safety of such materials in consumer products.
  • Another participant provides details about a specific water heater model, noting that it uses a polybutene tank and discussing the layers of materials involved, suggesting that the plastic tank has less interaction with water.
  • It is mentioned that polybutene can cause "mild gastrointestinal discomfort" if ingested in bulk, raising questions about its safety in contact with heated water.
  • A later reply states that polybutene is considered safe for use in cosmetics and has negligible solubility in water, suggesting it is "virtually non-toxic," but acknowledges that there is no absolute guarantee of safety.
  • One participant implies that using stainless steel might be a safer alternative to plastic tanks, although this is not universally agreed upon.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the safety of heating polybutene in water. While some argue it is safe based on its use in cosmetics and low solubility, others raise concerns about potential toxicity and material interactions, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the safety of polybutene and its interactions with water, as well as the lack of consensus on the implications of heating plastic materials.

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I am interested in a water heater found in consumer market, however, it's made of kind of plastic, I often "feel" that there must be some problem heating up something like plastic.

I understand that it should be tested and safe before putting into the market, however, I still wish to know - from the physics and science's point of view, what do you think? Could it change the molecular structure and release kind of toxic particles when a kind of plastic heated up to 100ºC but well below its melting point?

My English is not perfect. Wish you understand my questions and concern.
 
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Perhaps the most common of these is the Rheem. Here are the specs for it.
Uses a Polybutene water tank

Of course, any material used in the tank will interact with the water. A selling point of the plastic tank is that is has less interaction.

According to the specs, the tank has several layers: polyethylene on the outside, then polyurethane, then fiber glass, and finally a polybutene coating.

So it's the polybutene in contact with the water.
According to the MSDS it can cause "mild gastrointestinal discomfort". But that would be ingesting it in bulk.

Polybutenes are clear, bright, viscous liquids with boiling points of about 250C. Even the most viscous ones will get into the water. Here is a table: Polybutene products.
 
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.Scott said:
Perhaps the most common of these is the Rheem. Here are the specs for it.
Uses a Polybutene water tank

Of course, any material used in the tank will interact with the water. A selling point of the plastic tank is that is has less interaction.

According to the specs, the tank has several layers: polyethylene on the outside, then polyurethane, then fiber glass, and finally a polybutene coating.

So it's the polybutene in contact with the water.
According to the MSDS it can cause "mild gastrointestinal discomfort". But that would be ingesting it in bulk.

Polybutenes are clear, bright, viscous liquids with boiling points of about 250C. Even the most viscous ones will get into the water. Here is a table: Polybutene products.

In a conclusion, it's much safer to use a shiny stainless steel one instead right?
 
Polybutene has been determined safe for cosmetics - including lip gloss.
It is "insoluble" or has "negligible" solubility in water - (depending on the source).

According to this report, it is "virtually non-toxic":
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/chemical-engineering/polybutene

I wouldn't worry about it. But there is no guarantee.
 

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