Heating water flowing through Copper tube

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design of a system for heating water as it flows through a copper tube or coil. Participants explore the role of the tube's length in heat transfer and seek equations to model the heating process, considering factors such as temperature change and fluid dynamics.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the length of the copper tube affects heat transfer in the system.
  • Another participant suggests that the heat generated is related to resistance, indicating that longer lengths increase resistance and thus heat generation, while also emphasizing the importance of current.
  • A third participant introduces the complexity of the problem, noting the need to calculate the convective heat transfer coefficient and suggesting that the temperature rise per unit length can be determined based on mass flow rate, initial and final temperatures, and specific heat capacity of water.
  • The formula for power required is presented as Power = c_{p}*m_{dot}*\Delta T, where c_{p} is the specific heat capacity, m_{dot} is the mass flow rate, and ΔT is the temperature difference.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of complexity regarding the heat transfer problem, with some focusing on resistance and current, while others emphasize fluid dynamics and convective heat transfer. No consensus is reached on a singular approach or equation.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights assumptions regarding fluid flow conditions, such as the Reynolds number and thermal entry length, which may affect the accuracy of the proposed calculations.

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Individuals interested in thermal dynamics, fluid mechanics, or engineering design related to heating systems may find this discussion relevant.

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Hey guys,

Im designing a system where water flows through a copper tube or coil where it is heated and sprayed out the other end. My question is, how does the length of the tube/coil play a role in this heat transfer problem?

What I would like to do is pass the water through the inlet at a given temperature (likely room temp) and heat it using the copper tubing inside of a handheld device, and spray it out the other end at a temperature around 37 °C. What would be a good equation or set of equations to use? Thanks.
 
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seanist5890 said:
Hey guys,

Im designing a system where water flows through a copper tube or coil where it is heated and sprayed out the other end. My question is, how does the length of the tube/coil play a role in this heat transfer problem?

What I would like to do is pass the water through the inlet at a given temperature (likely room temp) and heat it using the copper tubing inside of a handheld device, and spray it out the other end at a temperature around 37 °C. What would be a good equation or set of equations to use? Thanks.

Because H=i^2rt and r=rho L/A ; more the length, more the resistance and more is the heat generated.
But remember that H is also proportional to i^2
Therefore, you must also aim for amount of current to be more.
 
What you're asking for is more complex than you realize, but you basically need to utilize heat transfer to calculate the convective coefficient of the fluid flowing through the tube, and based on this you can find the temperature rise per unit length of the tube.

To a first approximation, if you assume that heat transfer between the fluid and the tube is high (high reynold's number e.g. turbulent, etc.) and the length of the tube is long compared to the thermal entry length, your basic calculation will depend on:
  • The mass flow rate of the fluid (kg/s).
  • Initial Temperature (*C or K)
  • Final Temperature (*C or K)
  • Fluid specific heat capacity (J/(kg*K))
Multiplying the mass flow rate by water's heat capacity and the temperature difference will net the first-order required power in watts.

Power = c_{p}*m_{dot}*\Delta T

I've attached a PDF with a sample calculation in it.
 

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Thanks both of you for your contributions.
 

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