Heavily Damped Oscillator Equation

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The discussion revolves around the equation for a heavily damped oscillator, specifically focusing on the relationship between damping coefficients and natural frequency. Participants are attempting to manipulate the equation to express a variable in a specific form, while grappling with the implications of the hint provided in the problem statement.

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  • Participants are exploring how to express α in the form α = C(1+y)^n, questioning the implications of the hint and the assumptions behind the simplifications. There is discussion about the leading term and first-order corrections in the context of the equation.

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Some participants have provided insights into rewriting the equation and factoring terms to achieve the desired form. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between the variables, with no explicit consensus reached on the approach, but productive lines of reasoning are being developed.

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Participants mention confusion regarding the introduction of the variable y and the implications of the damping ratio in the context of the problem. There are references to the intuitive understanding of overdamped systems and the challenges faced in manipulating the equations effectively.

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I'm not really sure how to go about this.

They tell me the hint, and to use the simplification. I assume when they say (1+y)^n they take y to be in general, anything. It was confusing at first to see a y in the format when no y was present in any of the previous equations.

So, we know ϒ^2/4 >> w_0^2
So, could we say α^2 = ϒ^2/4 -w_0^2 can turn into α^2 = ϒ^2/4 => α = ϒ/2.
But this is not of the form α = C(1+y)^n.

So, we know ϒ = b/m, but that doesn't seem to help too much as α = b/2m is still not in that form.

Any hints on how I can start this off on the right way? I have a lot of equations in front of me and I feel with a good start up hint ill be off to the races.
 
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Read the given hint. It is there for a reason. You have only kept the leading term and not the first order correction.

I also disagree with the problem, I find it extremely intuitive that an overdamped system decays slower.
 
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You have only kept the leading term and not the first order correction.

α^2=(ϒ^2/4)-w_0^2 and we want it in the form α = C(1+y)^n

I'm not quite sure what you mean with this quote.

The only way I can think of it is if we immediately take a square root of both sides.

α = sqrt(ϒ^2/4-w_0^2)

This is somewhat like what the hint desires, but I feel like I won't get anywhere with this (As I've tried some calculations with this).

I also disagree with the problem, I find it extremely intuitive that an overdamped system decays slower.

I also did as well.
 
RJLiberator said:
but I feel like I won't get anywhere with this (As I've tried some calculations with this).
Rewrite the square root as an exponent ...
 
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Ah, so you are suggesting there is more here.

α = sqrt(ϒ^2/4-w_0^2)
α = [ϒ^2/4-w_0^2]^(1/2)
In this case, C = 1
But, we need it to be in the form (1+y)^n
So, perhaps let's try to factor out a ϒ^2/4 from both terms
So we get
α = ϒ/2[1-4*w_0^2/ϒ^2]^(1/2)

Now it is appearing to be in correct form.
So,
α = ϒ/2[1-(1/2)*4*w_0^2/ϒ^2]

Simplifying we get
α = [ϒ/2-w_0^2/ϒ]Oh my god.
I just solved it.

I love math. I also love you.
Why oh why did this take me hours.
 
RJLiberator said:
Why oh why did this take me hours.

Maybe this particular type of series expansion is not fundamental in your research subject - it is in mine. :rolleyes:
 
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