Helicopter Propeller Rotation: Explained

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the mechanics of helicopter propeller rotation, specifically addressing why helicopters do not turn in the opposite direction of their rotor's rotation. It explores concepts related to torque, rotor design, and aerodynamic forces, involving both theoretical and practical considerations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that helicopters do turn in the opposite direction of the rotor's rotation without additional features, suggesting that a tail rotor is necessary to counteract this torque.
  • Others argue that a tail rotor or alternative rotor configurations, such as dual rotors spinning in opposite directions, can balance the torque and prevent the helicopter from turning.
  • A participant questions the necessity of extra blades if the engine is positioned at the center of gravity, prompting a correction that asserts torque is still produced regardless of engine placement.
  • Another participant discusses the role of air resistance and conservation of angular momentum in causing the helicopter body to rotate in response to rotor blade motion, highlighting the need for external torque to balance the system.
  • There is a mention of aerodynamic torque acting on the main rotor, which needs to be countered by another external torque.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanics of helicopter rotation and the necessity of tail rotors or alternative rotor designs. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing explanations presented.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific definitions of torque and rotor dynamics, and there are unresolved aspects regarding the interaction of air resistance and rotor speed that participants acknowledge but do not fully clarify.

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Why doesn't helicopter turn in opposite direction of rotation of propeller?
 
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For single main rotor helicopters, there's a small rotor or exhaust port at the tail for most helicopters. This equalizes the torque from the main rotor, but then you end up with a net side force that requires the helicopter to lean a bit to one side to compensate for the side force.
 
Himal kharel said:
Why doesn't helicopter turn in opposite direction of rotation of propeller?

Great question. The answer is that without extra features, the helicopter does turn in the opposite direction. As rcgldr pointed out, a tail rotor pushing in the opposite direction can cancel out the torque. Another interesting approach is to have two main propellers rotating in opposite directions so that the torque cancels, and then you don't need a tail rotor. The two propellers can be side by side, inter-meshed, in tandem, or coaxial (notice no tail rotors):

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if the engine is just at cg then no torque will be produced. then why are extra blades necessary?
 
Himal kharel said:
if the engine is just at cg then no torque will be produced.
Incorrect. Why do you think that it is?
 
Without any air the rotor blades could spin without the body having a torque, I believe. What causes the body to spin is either a change in the speed of rotation (conservation of angular momentum / Newton's 3rd law means the body must rotate the opposite way) or air resistance, whose opposition to the fast motion of the blades imparts on the aircraft a torque in the opposite direction of the blade's rotation. This is transferred through the mast to the fuselage, which begins to spin.I'm not entirely sure but I think from that, the reason the body would rotate without a tail rotor is because the air resistance opposing rotation of the blades > the air resistance opposing rotation of the body.
 
MikeyW said:
I'm not entirely sure but I think from that, the reason the body would rotate without a tail rotor is because the air resistance opposing rotation of the blades
Yes, there is an aerodynamic torque on the main rotor, opposite to it's rotation. This external torque needs to be balanced by some other external torque on the system.
 

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