Helium vs Argon: Cost as shielding gases

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the cost comparison of helium and argon as shielding gases, exploring factors influencing their prices and the implications of their sources. Participants examine the assumptions behind the perceived costs and the market dynamics affecting these gases.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that helium is typically thought to be more expensive than argon, but cites a source claiming the opposite.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of obtaining actual quotes for accurate pricing information.
  • A participant questions the expected price difference based on the rarity of helium compared to argon, suggesting that increased supply might influence costs.
  • Concerns are raised about the market dynamics of helium, including its perceived wasteful usage and the impact of U.S. government policies on helium prices.
  • One participant explains that the price difference is attributed to the sources of the gases, noting that argon is derived from the atmosphere while helium is extracted from natural gas wells.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the cost comparison of helium and argon, with multiple competing views and uncertainties regarding the factors influencing their prices.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the pricing issue, including the influence of market supply, production methods, and government policies, without resolving the underlying uncertainties.

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Can't comment on prices - best to get actual quotes .

This is a useful source of technical information about welding gasses :

http://www.boconline.co.uk/internet.lg.lg.gbr/en/images/shielding-gas-brochure410_80125.pdf
 
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rollingstein said:
Intuitively I always thought He was more expensive than Ar as a shielding gas.

What gives?
We use Argon.
 
rollingstein said:
What gives?

Given its rarity in the arm relative to Argon, you would think that it would be more expensive...

Perhaps the tracking boom has increased supply?

And then there is this?
According to helium conservationists like Nobel laureate physicist Robert Coleman Richardson, the free market price of helium has contributed to "wasteful" usage (e.g. for helium balloons). Prices in the 2000s have been lowered by U.S. Congress' decision to sell off the country's large helium stockpile by 2015.[95] According to Richardson, the current price needs to be multiplied by 20 to eliminate the excessive wasting of helium. In their book, the Future of helium as a natural resource(Routledge, 2012), Nuttall, Clarke & Glowacki (2012) also proposed to create an International Helium Agency (IHA) to build a sustainable market for this precious commodity.[96]
 
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The difference in price is not explained by atmospheric composition, (Ar 0.934%, He 0.000524% by volume), but by source.
Argon comes from the atmosphere as a side line to oxygen production. Helium comes from natural gas wells.
I quote; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium_production_in_the_United_States
Wikipedia said:
The US was the world's largest helium producer, providing 40 percent of world supply. In addition, the US federal government sold 30 million cubic meters from storage. Other major helium producers were Algeria and Qatar.
All commercial helium is recovered from natural gas. Helium usually makes up a minuscule portion of natural gas, but can make up as much as 10 percent of natural gas in some fields. A helium content of 0.3 percent or more is considered necessary for commercial helium extraction.[1] In 2012, helium was recovered at 16 extraction plants, from gas wells in Colorado, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, and Wyoming. One extraction plant in Utah was idle in 2012.
 

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