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The discussion revolves around differentiating the function e^(nx), where n is any integer. Participants explore various methods of differentiation, including the chain rule, product rule, and limits, while addressing the correctness of different approaches.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant claims that the derivative of e^(nx) is n*e^(nx) and provides a proof involving limits.
  • Another participant suggests using the chain rule, letting u = nx, to find the derivative as n*e^(nx).
  • A different viewpoint proposes that the product rule could be applied, although this is challenged by others.
  • Some participants argue that the product rule does not apply in the way suggested, as e^n is a constant.
  • One participant mentions that the product rule can be used repeatedly to differentiate e^(nx) and provides examples with e^(3x).
  • Another participant emphasizes that e^(nx) is not equal to e^n * e^x, indicating a misunderstanding in applying the product rule.
  • Several participants discuss alternative methods, including using logarithms and the power rule in conjunction with the chain rule.

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There is no consensus on the best method to differentiate e^(nx). Participants present multiple competing views and approaches, with some disagreement on the applicability of the product rule.

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Some participants express uncertainty regarding the application of the product rule and the correctness of algebraic manipulations. The discussion includes various assumptions about the definitions and properties of exponential functions.

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can someone differentiate e^(nx) where n is any integer. i think is equal to n*e^(nx).

please show the proof, thanx.
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Well the proof is very big, so i just give u an idea as to how to go abt proving:

d(e^{(nx)})/dx = ne^{nx}

now increment y by a small value such that:

y + \Delta y = e^{(n(x + \Delta x))}

Divide the whole term by y such that:

(\Delta y)/y = [[e^{(n(x + \Delta x))}]/(e^{(nx)})] - 1 {We are putting d(e^{nx})/dx = n*e^{nx} on the right hand side of the eqtn.}

take the one on the other side to get:

\Delta y/ y = [e^{(n(x + \Delta x))}- e^{(nx)}]/[e^{(nx)}]

now apply the limits \Delta y \longrightarrow 0 to bot sides and evaluate the limit to get your answer.

Sridhar
 
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Or, assuming you don't actually need to go back to the original definition of the derivative: apply the chain rule.

To differentiate y= enx, let u= nx.

Then y= eu so dy/du= eu

(If you don't know that then you will need to go back to definitions- in particular exactly how you are defining ex.)

du/dx= n, of course, and

dy/dx= (dy/du)(du/dx)= eu(n)= n enx.
 
thanx guys. i think the product rule can also use to differentiate
e^(nx), since e^(nx)=e^(n)*e^(x). but that will require much more time.
 
Originally posted by Bailey
thanx guys. i think the product rule can also use to differentiate
e^(nx), since e^(nx)=e^(n)*e^(x). but that will require much more time.

this is not correct, the product rule does not apply here.
 
e^(nx)=e^(n)*e^(x).

Hmm . .. I don't think that is quite legal since e^n is a constant, the product rule only applies if you have two functions.
you could alternately take the log of both sides which may look something like:

lny(x)=lne^nx
differentiate with respect to x
y'/y=n
y'=ny
and since y= e^nx
y'=n*e^nx

Of course I used the chain rule now on the left hand side, now
 
The product rule applies fine for a constant term, since a constant is a perfectly good function. It does not apply the way he said though; his exponential relation is wrong.

<br /> e^ne^x=e^{n+x}<br />
 
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The product rule applies fine for a constant term, since a constant is a perfectly good function. It does not apply the way he said though; his exponential relation is wrong.

<br /> e^ne^x=e^{n+x}<br />
It's mightily unnecessary as one term will automatically go to zero, and yes I missed his algebraic mistake
 
sorry about that mistake, what i meant was that,the product rule can be use repeatly to differentiate e^(nx).

eg. differentiate e^(3x)

e^(2x) = e^(x)*e^(x)
[e^(2x)]'=e^(x)*[e^(x)]' + e^(x)*[e^(x)]' = e^(x)*e^(x) + e^(x)*e^(x)
[e^(2x)]'= 2e^(2x)


e^(3x) = e^(2x)*e^(x)
[e^(3x)]'=e^(x)*[e^(2x)]' + e^(2x)*[e^(x)]' "sub [e^(2x)]'= 2e^(2x)"
[e^(3x)]'=e^(x)*(2e^(2x)) + e^(2x)*e^(x)
[e^(3x)]'=2e^(3x) + e^(3x)
[e^(3x)]'=3e^(3x)
 
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Okay, you recognize that enx is NOT enex so that the a single application of the product rule does not work.

Yes, you can use the product rule repeatedly (in a proof by induction) but why?

What's wrong with using the chain rule as I suggested?
 
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Actually, this is a more interesting problem that I first thought- there are several different ways of doing it.

The "obvious" way (to me anyway) is to note that the derivative of ex is ex and use the chain rule:
denx/dx= ex(d(nx)/dx)= nenx.

But we can also write enx= (en)x and use the fact that dax/dx= (ln a) ax:
d((en)x)/dx= ln(en)(en)x= nenx.

Or do it the other way around: enx= (ex)n) and use the power rule (together with the chain rule and the derivative of ex):
d((en)x)/dx= n((ex)n-1)(ex)= n(ex)n= nenx
 

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