Help finishing up complex roots homogenous equation problem partially solved.

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The discussion revolves around finding the general solution to the differential equation y''' + y = 0, which falls under the subject area of differential equations. The original poster has made some attempts at solving the equation but is seeking further guidance on how to proceed, particularly regarding the complex roots involved.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the nature of the roots of the characteristic equation r^3 + 1 = 0, with some emphasizing that there are three distinct solutions. Questions arise about the steps needed to derive the general solution and the validity of the original poster's approach.

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Some participants have offered insights into the general form of the solution and the importance of identifying all roots. There is acknowledgment of the original poster's confusion and a request for assistance in starting the problem, indicating a collaborative effort to clarify the process.

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The original poster expresses uncertainty about their calculations and mentions following a book's solution, which may not apply to the assigned problem. This raises questions about the assumptions made in their approach and the need for a clearer understanding of the problem's requirements.

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Homework Statement


Find the general solution to
y'''+y=0


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The Attempt at a Solution



y''+y=0
r^3+1=0
r^3=-1
r=(-1)^(1/3)
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-1=-1+0i
-1=cos(pi)+isin(pi)=e^(i*pi)
-1=cos(pi+2xpi)+isin(pi+2xpi)=e^i(pi+2xpi)
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(-1)^(1/3)=(e^i(pi+2xpi))^(1/3)
(-1)^(1/3)=(e^i(pi/3+2xpi/3))
(-1)=cos(pi/3+2xpi/3)+isin(pi/3+2xpi/3)
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How do I get this to the general solution form? I know I do something where I let x=0,1,2,3,etc.
But I am not on sure what steps to take.

The answer on Wolfram Alpha is
"y(x) = c_1 e^(-x)+c_2 e^(x/2) sin((sqrt(3) x)/2)+c_3 e^(x/2) cos((sqrt(3) x)/2)"

Thanks in advance!
 
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cyturk said:
-1=-1+0i
-1=cos(pi)+isin(pi)=e^(i*pi)
-1=cos(pi+2xpi)+isin(pi+2xpi)=e^i(pi+2xpi)
--------------------------
(-1)^(1/3)=(e^i(pi+2xpi))^(1/3)
(-1)^(1/3)=(e^i(pi/3+2xpi/3))
(-1)=cos(pi/3+2xpi/3)+isin(pi/3+2xpi/3)

I'm not sure why you're doing these calculations. r^3+1=0 has 3 solutions, not just one. Let's call the solutions k1, k2, and k3. The general solution to the differential equation would be y=c1*e^(k1*x)+c2*e^(k2*x)+c3*e^(k3*x). More broadly, the general solution to any linear homogeneous differential equation is a linear combination of e^(ki) for all ki
 
ideasrule said:
I'm not sure why you're doing these calculations. r^3+1=0 has 3 solutions, not just one. Let's call the solutions k1, k2, and k3. The general solution to the differential equation would be y=c1*e^(k1*x)+c2*e^(k2*x)+c3*e^(k3*x). More broadly, the general solution to any linear homogeneous differential equation is a linear combination of e^(ki) for all ki

I will be honest and say I was following a solution from a book problem, this is a nonbook problem assigned and I am really stuck on it. So I may have all my steps incorrect.

Okay, if r^3+1=0 does have three solutions, k1,k2,k3, is it possible to solve them? Because I feel like that would be the difficult part and I don't know how to do it.
 
Anyone willing to help me out start this problem atleast?
 
e^(-pi*i), e^(pi*i), e^(3*pi*i), e^(5*pi*i), e^(7*pi*i), e^(9*pi*i), ... are all equal to (-1), right? They are all forms of e^(pi*i+2*pi*i*k) for k an integer. If you take the cube root of all of them by dividing the argument by 3, how many of those numbers are different? You should find that three of them are. Then as ideasrule said those are your k1, k2 and k3. And the general solution is c1*e^(k1*x)+c2*e^(k2*x)+c2*e^(k3*x).
 
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You could solve r3 + 1 = 0 by factoring the left side first since it's a sum of cubes, using a3 + b3 = (a + b)(a2 - ab + b2). Or even easier, you know -1 is a root, so use long or synthetic division to divide r3 + 1 by it and get your quadratic, then solve that to get the last two solutions.
 

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