Help in Finding a Polymer that Satisfies Certain Physical Criteria

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding a polymer or material that meets specific physical criteria for embedding heating coils. The criteria include heat absorption without melting, retention of warmth, durability under stress, comfort underfoot, hydrophobic properties, and non-toxicity. Participants explore potential materials and systems related to underfloor heating.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the criteria resemble those of underfloor heating systems, typically using ceramic tile or laminate over heating elements.
  • Another participant proposes thin rubber coatings or truck-bed liner spray as potential materials that could meet the softness requirement.
  • A participant questions the implications of embedding heating coils in cement, seeking to understand how cement heats up and the associated risks of electrocution.
  • Concerns are raised about the risk of shock if uninsulated wires are used, with a suggestion that insulated systems or those using circulating fluids could mitigate this risk.
  • There is a discussion about how heat transfer occurs through conduction from the coils or pipes to the surrounding material.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a specific material or solution. Multiple competing views and suggestions are presented regarding potential materials and methods for heating systems.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the safety and effectiveness of various materials and methods, particularly concerning electrical conductivity and heat transfer mechanisms.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in materials science, heating systems, or those seeking solutions for comfortable and safe underfoot heating applications may find this discussion relevant.

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Hello all, I am new to these forums and just registered.
I plan to be an active participant on here and reciprocate the generosity I've observed in other threads.

Im looking for a certain "material" that can satisfy this list of criteria that I've put together.
I'm pretty sure that I am looking for a polymer but perhaps someone else has some other suggestions (all of which are most welcome).
So here are the criteria:
-i would like to be able to embed or "en-vein" in this material a few heating coils/wires
-can absorb heat but not melt while doing so. these coils/wires would be heated and expected to heat this material in which they're
embedded. (not talking about too high a temperature here, I'd only like it to stay around 80-85 degrees farenheit) the heat would be
expected to spread from the coil/wire to and through it's surrounding material.
-can be able to retain some of that heat and not easily lose it to the air around it.
-If slightly stretched/stressed/pressed, in any way, it wouldn't easily crack/break/tear or rip.
-If feet were to be set ontop of this "mat of material" it would feel comfortable and soft (not a pudding soft, but a firm soft...
if that makes sense, haha).
-hydrophobic - if a cup of water were to be spilled near this "mat of material" it wouldn't seep through this material and damage or
disrupt the inner coils/wires.
-while being warm and soft, it shouldn't feel dry to one's feet but rather smooth.
-if this material were lying around and a man/woman were to be breathing in the air, this material wouldn't somehow be "toxic"
or hazardous to one's health via something airborne relating to the nature of this material. also it shouldn't produce some bad rash
or other reactive response from a person's touch/feet.

Ideally someone could name what it is I'm looking for and suggest me a way to acquire it.
Just as good would be any suggestions, advice, or input that would help me get a little closer to that ideal.

Thanks all and looking to be an active PF member!
 
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That sounds a lot like an underfloor heating system, which I hear are quite popular for master baths and the likes. I think they're usually ceramic tile or laminate over top of hot water pipes or electric heating elements:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underfloor_heating

Perhaps something that's already out there may help you out further?

EDIT: As for the requirement that it have give and be soft, some sort of thin rubber coating, or even a truck-bed liner spray?
 
Thanks MATLABdude! That definitely set me going in the right direction. Only I have another question that follows upon reading a bit further but would it be considered "thread-jacking" if I did that?
The question would be what would happen if i embedded heating coils in cement, for example, as in the underfloor heating systems - how does the cement actually heat up from these electrically charged coils? and how would the dangers of electrocution be appropriately taken care of?
 
It's your thread, and as long as it's more or less concerning the same thing, the mods probably aren't going to come down on you for tangential discussions.

Risk of shock? That might be the case if the cement / thick or thin set / whatever were a very good (electrical) conductor, or if you just buried uninsulated nichrome wire. This doesn't seem to be the case for the ones that you can buy at your local hardware store, for instance:
http://www.homedepot.com/undefined-Under-Floor-Heating/h_d1/N-5yc1vZ1xg1Zapte/h_d2/Navigation?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

To completely avoid the risk of electrocution / shock (and since electrical heat is usually more expensive than burning natural gas) you have systems that circulate saline / glycol solutions or just plain hot water.

As for how the cement / tile / wood actually heats up? Via conduction, since the coils or wire or hot water pipes are embedded in it (or just underneath). You probably don't pile on tons of cement or thickset, and I imagine that there's an insulating layer installed below the heating element to ensure that most of the heat goes upwards and into warming your feet.

This article (and site) seem to go into more details on the nuts and bolts of underfloor heating:
http://www.alternative-heating.com/underfloor_heating.html
 
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