Help My Friend With His Final Year Design Project

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The discussion revolves around the challenges faced by a participant's friend in implementing a 7th order high pass Butterworth filter as a microstrip for a final year design project. The focus is on the conversion process from lumped elements to microstrip design, particularly at a cutoff frequency of 3 GHz.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants request more context and details regarding the term "conversion" in the context of electronic filters.
  • One participant mentions that it is not possible to build a high pass filter with distributed elements but suggests that band pass filters with high top ends are feasible for most applications.
  • Another participant explains that high pass filters typically consist of series capacitors and shunt inductors, proposing that shunt inductors can be replaced by shorted transmission lines and series capacitors by opened transmission lines, although they note that realization may be problematic.
  • This participant also suggests replacing all lumped elements with distributed elements and using Kuroda transformation to convert to a microstrip filter with only shunt and series transmission line components, referencing Richards transformation and Kuroda identity as potential resources.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of constructing high pass filters with distributed elements, indicating a lack of consensus on this aspect of the discussion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not clarify the specific assumptions or definitions regarding the types of filters being discussed, nor does it resolve the mathematical steps involved in the conversion process.

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My friend is doing this for his final year design project and has hit a brickwall in terms of understand the actual process. Any help would be appreciated!
 
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Zanjabeel0 said:
My friend is doing this for his final year design project and has hit a brickwall in terms of understand the actual process. Any help would be appreciated!

Welcome to the PF.

Could you provide some context, examples, and a lot more detail for this question please? What do you mean by the term "conversion" in the context of electronic filters?
 
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He designed a 7th order high pass Butterworth filter with lumped elements. He wants to impliment the filter as a microstrip.
He's stuck at the conversion from lumped elements to microstrip. The cut off frequency is 3 Ghz.
 
It is not possible to build a high pass filter with distributed elements.

However, band pass filters with very high top ends are possible and work for most applications.
 
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Hi,

Well, Highpass filters contain series caps and shunt inductors.

shunt inductors can be replaced by shorted transmission lines.

series capacitors can be replaced by opened transmission lines. (but you can't realize this)

replace all lumped with distributed then use kuroda transformation to convert to a microstrip filter with only shunt and series t-line components.

look up RICHARDS TRANSFORMATION and KURODA IDENTITY (MAYBE YOU CAN FIND AN ONLINE PROGRAM)

(Sorry I don't want to spend more time on this but I'll check again later)
 
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