Help solve for x in a=g(sin(x)-Uk*cos(x))

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The discussion revolves around solving the equation a = g(sin(x) - Uk*cos(x)), where participants explore various mathematical approaches to isolate x. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and problem-solving techniques related to trigonometric identities and equations.

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  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to proceed after reaching a certain form of the equation, specifically mentioning the role of Uk as a constant of kinetic friction.
  • Another participant suggests using trigonometric identities, specifically cos(x+y) and sin(x+y), to manipulate the equation, but notes complications arising from the constants involved.
  • A different participant questions the complexity of the proposed method and suggests an alternative approach using the relationship sin(x)/cos(x) = tan(x), but indicates that their calculations led to an incorrect result.
  • One participant critiques the approach of squaring terms on the right-hand side of the equation and proposes using a quadratic equation derived from the tangent function instead.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to solve for x, with multiple competing approaches and some uncertainty about the correctness of the calculations presented.

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There are unresolved mathematical steps and potential errors in the calculations presented by participants, particularly regarding the manipulation of trigonometric identities and the handling of constants.

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I want to solve for x

I only get as for as
a/g = sin(x)-Uk*cos(x)
a/gcos(x) = tan(x) - Uk

im not sure which trig id to use after that! I think the Uk is probably throwing me off. (Its a constant, constant of kinetic friction)
 
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I would recommend using either cos(x+y)= cos(x)cos(y)- sin(x)sin(y) or sin(x+y)= sin(x)cos(y)+ sin(x)sin(y). (I don't think it matters which.)

That is, think of cos(x)cos(y)- sin(x)sin(y)= sin(x)- Uk cos(x) so that "cos(y)= -1" and "sin(y)= -Uk". That won't work directly because that gives [itex]sin^2(y)+ cos^2(y)= 1+ Uk^2[/itex] rather than 1. But a way to fix that is to multiply both sides of the equation by [itex]\sqrt{1+ Uk^2}[/itex].

Doing that gives a/g = sin(x)-Uk*cos(x)
[tex]\frac{a}{g\sqrt{1+ Uk^2}}= \frac{1}{\sqrt{1+ Uk^2}}- \frac{Uk}{\sqrt{1+Uk^2}}cos(x)[/tex].
Now, comparing those to sin(x+y) we would have [itex]sin(y)= -\frac{Uk}{\sqrt{1+ Uk^2}}[/itex] and [itex]cos(y)= -\frac{1}{\sqrt{1+ Uk^2}}[/itex]

Now your equation becomes [itex]sin(x+y)=\frac{a}{g\sqrt{1+Uk^2}}[/itex] so
[tex]x+ y= arcsin(\frac{a}{g\sqrt{1+ Uk^2}}[/tex]
with [itex]y= -arcsin(\frac{Uk}{\sqrt{1+Uk^2}}[/itex].

That is,
[tex]x= arcsin(\frac{a}{g\sqrt{1+ Uk^2}}- arcsin(\frac{Uk}{\sqrt{1+ Uk^2}}[/tex]
 
is that the easiest way? because that seems really hard. i heard of another way in which u incorporate sinx/cosx = tanx

I tried this:

a/g = sin(x) - Ucos(x)

a/gcos(x) = tanx - U

a^2/g^2 cos^2(x) = (sec^2(x) - 1) - U^2

a^2/g^2 = 1-cos^2(x) - U^2cos^2(x)a^2/g^2 -1 = (-1-u^2) cos^2(x)
cosx = sqrt( (a^2/g^2 -1 ) / (-1-u^2) )
x=arccos (sqrt( (a^2/g^2 -1 ) / (-1-u^2) ) )

but i messed up somewhere because ans of x won't work!
 
ha9981 said:
a/gcos(x) = tanx - U

a^2/g^2 cos^2(x) = (sec^2(x) - 1) - U^2
You cannot square the terms on the RHS individually.

But your idea could work. For example you could use
[tex] \frac{a^2}{g^2\cos^2 x}=(\tan x-Uk)^2[/tex]
and the identity
[tex] \frac{1}{\cos^2 x}=1+\tan^2 x[/tex]
on the LHS. Make sure you factor out correctly the RHS and then you will get a quadric equation for [itex]\tan x[/itex]
 

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