Help spotting trig identities to simplify integration

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The discussion revolves around simplifying the integral ∫ sqrt(1-cos(t)) dt using trigonometric identities and substitutions. Participants explore various methods to transform the integral into a more manageable form, discussing both specific substitutions and general strategies for recognizing useful identities.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests a substitution of u = 1-cos(t) and expresses difficulty in eliminating t from the integral.
  • Another participant proposes writing sin(t) in terms of u, using the identity sin(arccos(a)) = sqrt(1-a^2) to facilitate the substitution.
  • A different participant notes the challenge of finding resources that compile various trigonometric tricks and identities for integration.
  • One participant discusses an alternative approach by eliminating trigonometric functions altogether and using geometric relationships, suggesting that experience leads to better foresight in choosing substitutions.
  • Another participant reflects on their own experience with the complexity of the problem and the value of the exercise, despite initially finding it convoluted.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of strategies and insights, but there is no consensus on a single method or approach to simplify the integral. Multiple competing views and techniques are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the limitations of prior knowledge and the necessity of practice in mastering integration techniques involving trigonometric identities. There is an implicit recognition that different substitutions may lead to varying levels of complexity in solving the integral.

Who May Find This Useful

Students and learners in mathematics or physics who are seeking to improve their skills in integration techniques, particularly those involving trigonometric identities and substitutions.

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Hello,

Say I'm working with ∫ sqrt(1-cos(t)) dt

I end up with a substitution of u = 1-cos(t) and dt = du/sin(t)

sub back in: ∫ sqrt(u) / sin(t) du

Still got a t in there ... hrrmmm

So I go to wolfram alpha for some inspiration and 'show steps':
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=integrate++sqrt(1-cos(t))

After some bashing about I see what they are doing is valid - but have no idea how to go about spotting what they have done in between the substitution and ending up with an integral only in terms of u.

I need a little sub-'show-working' section - anyone care to show me how the 'ah-hah, that'll work!' moment actually comes about ?

It's simple ?

regards,
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I need a little sub-'show-working' section - anyone care to show me the 'ah-hah, that'll work!' moment actually comes about ?
It's simple ?
<hunted look> erm, simple? ... no... not usually... it takes lots and lots of practice. The computer is your friend.

In the above case you were on the right track, you just needed to figure out how to write sin(t) in terms of u.

I'm guessing:
u=1-\cos(t) \Rightarrow t=\arccos(1-u)
du=\sin(t)dt = \sin(\arccos(1-u)) =\sqrt{1-(1-u)^2}
... which is where you just have to know the identity: \sin(\arccos(a))=\sqrt{1-a^2}

... what usually happens is that you get desperate and pour through a table of trig identities, trying out likely candidates, until you get one that makes all the headaches go away. The trouble with the inverse trig functions is that they only exist for a limited range.

If you get stuck on trigs, you can always brute-force it by using complex exponentials.
 
Nice,

Thanks for that - exactly what I needed :-p

I wonder if there is a resource of examples of most/all of these tricks ?

Many textbooks and coursebooks show you a couple of them in (unrelated) examples and then leave you on your own.

I'm at a new university now and it seems there is an expectation this stuff is prior learning. Got to catch up and fast
 
If you didn't realize about the arccos substitution or didn't want to use it, you may just decide to get rid of those pesky trig functions and see what happens:

x = r\cos(t) ... definition of cosine
dx=r\sin(t)dt = ry/r = y = \sqrt{r^2-x^2} ... pythagoras.
... note: similarity to trig ID if r=1

put r=1 ... needed for x=cos(t).
integrand becomes:

\frac{dx}{\sqrt{1-x^2}}\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-x}}... then see if it helps any.
eg. factorize (1-x2)

Several substitutions you may end up with something you can integrate.
If you keep track of the substitutions you may be able to write it up as one transformation and look super-clever.

With experience comes foresight.
Until then, you have to do a lot of messing about.
 
its been a while tis all...

catching my tail everyday
 
yep - know the feeling.
Note. 1st year college is mostly about establishing a baseline of prior knowledge ... if you missed or forgot something, the course gives you a heads-up and you get some important experience. You are only expected to be able to look things up ;)

You've got it easy ... I had the same thing without the internet.
 
I ended up with t then u, s and p substitutions !

but I found a much easier way using:

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(the part in parentheses)

Wolfram-Alpha led me down a longer and more arcane path (in terms of the trig identities used) ... bah !

...guess in the long run I don't mind the exercise :rolleyes:
 
Builds character.
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