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The discussion revolves around two proofs involving properties of integers and irrational numbers. The first proof requires demonstrating that for any positive integer x, the ceiling of x/2 is less than or equal to (x + 1)/2, using a proof by cases. The second proof seeks to establish the existence and uniqueness of an integer n such that the distance between an irrational number r and n is less than 1/2.

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  • Participants explore the proof by cases for the first problem, considering even and odd integers. They question how to set up the cases and what specific values to substitute for x. For the second problem, there is uncertainty about how to start and what needs to be shown regarding the uniqueness of n.

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Some participants have begun to outline their reasoning for the first proof, identifying the cases and attempting calculations. Others express confusion about the second proof and the necessary properties to use. Guidance has been offered regarding the Archimedean property and the well-ordered property, but there is no consensus on the approach to take.

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Participants note a lack of specific equations or theorems they are allowed to use, which affects their ability to progress in the proofs. There is also mention of needing to verify the cases in the first proof and the implications of irrationality in the second proof.

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Hi there everyone, I have the basic idea of what to do, its just trying to show the cases work is where the problems occurs. Anyways for the first one:

Homework Statement



Prove that if x is any positive integer, then ⌈x/2⌉ ≤ (x + 1)/2. (Here, for
any real number r, ⌈r⌉ is the smallest integer greater than or equal to r. Thus, ⌈2.3⌉ = 3,
⌈2⌉ = 2, etc.) Do a proof by cases.

Homework Equations



None that I know of.

The Attempt at a Solution



Since it's a proof by cases, and it only deals with positive integers, I think my two cases should be if x is an even integer, and an odd integer. This is the point where I get confused, do I basically plug in 2k and 2k+1 for x, and then solve? If that is true? What exactly am I solving for?

Anyways for the next proof:

Homework Statement



Show that if r is an irrational number, there is a unique integer n such that the distance between r and n is less than 1/2. Be sure to argue the uniqueness of n.

Homework Equations



None that I know of.

The Attempt at a Solution



I have absolutely no idea on where to even start for this problem. I all know is that since r is irrational, it can be said that it could lie in between two integers n and n +1, much like n < r < n + 1. So I have to solve for n < r and r < n + 1. But again, what exactly am I solving for, and what do I have to do to show that? I guess my main problem in these types of proofs is just verifying they the cases work, I really just don't see how any of the cases could lead to a conclusion that I could use to help prove the problems. Anyways, any help is appreciated, thanks in advance!
 
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opt!kal said:
Hi there everyone, I have the basic idea of what to do, its just trying to show the cases work is where the problems occurs. Anyways for the first one:

Homework Statement



Prove that if x is any positive integer, then ⌈x/2⌉ ≤ (x + 1)/2. (Here, for
any real number r, ⌈r⌉ is the smallest integer greater than or equal to r. Thus, ⌈2.3⌉ = 3,
⌈2⌉ = 2, etc.) Do a proof by cases.

Homework Equations



None that I know of.

The Attempt at a Solution



Since it's a proof by cases, and it only deals with positive integers, I think my two cases should be if x is an even integer, and an odd integer. This is the point where I get confused, do I basically plug in 2k and 2k+1 for x, and then solve? If that is true? What exactly am I solving for?
If n is even, say x= 2k, what is ⌈x/2⌉? What is (x+1)/2?
If n is odd, say x= 2k+1, what is ⌈x/2⌉? What is (x+1)/2?

Anyways for the next proof:

Homework Statement



Show that if r is an irrational number, there is a unique integer n such that the distance between r and n is less than 1/2. Be sure to argue the uniqueness of n.

Homework Equations



None that I know of.

The Attempt at a Solution



I have absolutely no idea on where to even start for this problem. I all know is that since r is irrational, it can be said that it could lie in between two integers n and n +1, much like n < r < n + 1. So I have to solve for n < r and r < n + 1. But again, what exactly am I solving for, and what do I have to do to show that? I guess my main problem in these types of proofs is just verifying they the cases work, I really just don't see how any of the cases could lead to a conclusion that I could use to help prove the problems. Anyways, any help is appreciated, thanks in advance!
What do you have to work with? How you would prove something depends strongly on what prior theorems you know. If I were trying to prove that I would use: 1) The Archimedean property: given any real number r, there exist an integer larger than r; and 2) the "well ordered property" of the positive integers: any set of positive integers contains a smallest integer.
But I don't know if you have those to work with.
 
So for the first one I know that if x = 2k, then I have ⌈x/2⌉ = ⌈2k / 2⌉ which is equal to k right? then (x + 1)/2 would equal (2k + 1) / 2, which can be written as (2k)/2 + 1/2 which can also be written as k + 1/2? so I would have ⌈k⌉ ≤ k + 1/2? Would that solve the even case?
Working the odd case I would have ⌈(2k + 1) /2⌉ which equals ⌈2k / 2 + 1 /2⌉ which can equal ⌈k + 1/2⌉ and since ⌈r⌉ is the smallest integer greater than or equal to r I would end up having:
⌈k + 1⌉ ≤ (2k + 1) + 1 / 2 = (2k + 2) /2 = 2k/2 + 2/2 = k + 1 which is equal to the left hand side so it still works right?

And for the second one, I apologize, I am not too versed with those properties, but Ill keep thinking about the problem, and how the play into the overall proof

EDIT: Actually I think I'm starting to see what you mean by those properties, since an irrational number is a real number, by the Archimedean property, there exists a interger n such that r < n. Also by the well ordered property, we see that within the set of two integers, one exists as the smallest integer. But the only inequality that I see is n < r < n + 1, unless you are referring to the less than 1/2 side. Haha, nevermind, I think I just lost it.
 
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First, your analysis of the first problem is correct.

For the second, you are trying to prove "Show that if r is an irrational number, there is a unique integer n such that the distance between r and n is less than 1/2."

There is NOT a set of two integers because you have not yet proved that there is an "n" and "n+1".

As you said, by the Archimedean property, there exists integers larger than r. Let "A" be the set of all integers larger than r. By the "well ordered" property, that set has a smallest integer, n. Then n is the smallest integer larger than A. Since n-1 is also an integer, and smaller than n, it cannot be larger than r: n-1< r (why can't it be equal to r?) If r- n< 1/2, we are done! (with existence). If r-n> 1/2 (note: you will need to prove that because r is irrational r-n cannot equal 1/2) then look at n-1< r. |n-(n-1)|\le|r-(n-1)|+ |n-r| (triangle inequality). But n-(n-1)= 1. Use that to prove that the distance from r to n-1 is less than 1/2.

And, of course, "Be sure to argue the uniqueness of n." Suppose there were two integers, n and m, whose distance from r were less than 1/2. What is the distance from n to m (triangle inequality again).
 

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