Help with a derivative and solving for Critical points

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the function (x^2)/(sqrt(x+1)) and determining critical points by setting the derivative to zero. Participants are exploring the application of the quotient rule and the simplification of the resulting expression.

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  • Participants discuss the use of the quotient rule to find the derivative and express uncertainty about simplifying the resulting expression. There are inquiries about how to set the derivative equal to zero to find critical points. Some suggest alternative methods, such as using the product rule instead of the quotient rule.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights on simplification techniques and alternative approaches. There is recognition that algebra skills may be impacting the understanding of the calculus involved, but no consensus has been reached on the best method to proceed.

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Participants express challenges with algebraic simplification, which may be affecting their ability to solve the derivative equation for critical points. There is a mention of the original poster's recent introduction to derivatives, indicating a learning curve in the subject matter.

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I have the equation

(x^2)/(sqrt(x+1))

This one has been stumping me, not sure how to reduce the derivative properly much less solve for 0.

I get it down to this using the quotient rule:

((x+1)^(1/2)*2x - x^2*1/2(x+1)^(-1/2)) / (x+1)

Just started learning derivative a few weeks ago and they're still stumping me. I'm really terrible at simplifying these down. Once it's simplified down how would I solve for ZERO to find the crit points?

Any help would be appreciated.
 
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LLofantaine said:
I have the equation

(x^2)/(sqrt(x+1))

This one has been stumping me, not sure how to reduce the derivative properly much less solve for 0.

I get it down to this using the quotient rule:

((x+1)^(1/2)*2x - x^2*1/2(x+1)^(-1/2)) / (x+1)

Just started learning derivative a few weeks ago and they're still stumping me. I'm really terrible at simplifying these down. Once it's simplified down how would I solve for ZERO to find the crit points?

Any help would be appreciated.
Hello LLofantaine. Welcome to PF !

The derivative is correct. The rest is just algebra.

((x+1)^(1/2)*2x - x^2*1/2(x+1)^(-1/2)) / (x+1) → [itex]\displaystyle \frac{2x\sqrt{x+1}-\displaystyle \frac{x^2}{2\sqrt{x+1}}}{x+1}[/itex]
 
Thanks, so that's what the derivative looks like, is there anyway to simplify that down further? Also, my algebra skills are obviously horrible so I can't remember the first thing about setting and solving that for 0
 
LLofantaine said:
Thanks, so that's what the derivative looks like, is there anyway to simplify that down further? Also, my algebra skills are obviously horrible so I can't remember the first thing about setting and solving that for 0
To reduce the fraction, multiply the "main" numerator & denominator by √(x+1) . That should allow you to simplify the numerator greatly.

(Yes. When students say they're having trouble doing the calculus, it's often the algebra skills that are lacking.)
 
The simplest way to handle this is NOT to use the quotient rule but, instead, write it as [tex]x^2(x+ 1)^{-1/2}[/tex] and use the product rule.
 

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